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Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

From: John Zupansic <zupansic.nul>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:47:21 -0600
Archived: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:04:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:44:57 EST
>Subject: Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility


>So the question to me is: "If some of the disclosure witnesses
>are unreliable, why should we accept anything that comes from
>the project?"

>That means, if Dr. Greer couldn't be bothered with verifying
>these tales, why should we even listen?

>But doesn't those copyright issues speak to character and isn't
>character of importance here. We have only so much in the way of
>physical evidence so that the character issue becomes more
>important. Here, Dr. Greer has failed...

Touche' Mr. Randle.

Earlier Mr. Ledger mentioned something about not throwing out
the baby with the bathwater, but I think this is a relatively
unrealistic hope.

In the case of Greer, and perhaps the upcoming Sci-Fi special,
the baby should and will get thrown out with the bathwater,
rightfully so I think. Precisely because, as Mr. Randle so
eloquently put it "If some of the disclosure witnesses are
unreliable, why should we accept anything that comes from the

Far too often people in this field give debunkers, skeptics,
investigative reporters, and assorted media types ammo with
which to shoot giant holes in UFOs and the ETH in the minds of
the general public and perhaps as or more importantly,
prospective scientists and researchers. Hyperbole and sweeping
generalizations, sadly, play pretty well to the masses and to
the those in the scientific community who don't have time to
study UFOs in-depth.  It doesn't much matter if 90% of Greer's
witnesses are credible (which they probably aren't) if 10% are
liars.  It doesn't much matter if Schmitt's claims about Roswell
are completely 100% accurate when it is so easy to discredit him
on character issues. People stop listening (rightly or wrongly)
no matter how great the data is, after they find out the person
in question has a history of lies/embellishments/exaggerations
in their past.

Incidentally, I have tried to contact both Sci-Fi and MPH
Entertainment to ask why Schmitt is included in their upcoming
special, but haven't received a response.

John Zupansic

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