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Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic.nul>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 12:57:13 -0500
Archived: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:50:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:34:44 -0400
>Subject: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

>Hi Errol and List,

>I've noted much about Dr. Greer on this and other Lists. Most
>agree that Greer himself leaves something to be desired where
>credibility is concerned. However what concerns me is the
>possibility that the baby might be being thrown out with the

>What is the concensus on this List regarding the quality of the
>disclosures by those witnesses that appeared during Greer's
>Disclosure Project?

>Has anyone broken down the presenters into groups as to the
>credibility of their disclosures?

>Is there a list of these presenters and their topics, somewhere?


>Don Ledger

Hi Don,

In my own posts regarding Dr. Greer I have always been very
careful to keep my comments focused on him and not on the
disclosure witnesses. One of things that I have been most upset
about is; the witnesses are an invaluable resource that (I have
always felt) Greer has been squandering.

Mostly by his not having properly vetted the witnesses in the
first place. And secondly, by diluting the focus on them by
artificially grafting hot-potato issues like star wars defense
systems (along with non-issues like 'Free energy') onto the
original UFO agenda.

Last year Kevin Randle and a couple of others volunteered to
help vet the disclosure witnesses. (properly) No one from the
disclosure project ever took this experienced investigator up on
his offer. There are many good, solid witnesses on that list,
(one of my personal favorites is former chief of Investigations
for the FAA, John Callahan,) and if the very few but real
'clinkers' can be removed from the list, it will be a formidable
tool in the effort for disclosure.

For one of the 'unsung heros' in all of this:

For my money one of the very few individuals that has
consistently kept the focus where it properly belongs, on the
witnesses and their testimony, (as opposed to 'space based
defense weapons' and 'free energy') is Victor Vigianni. Week
after week (on EBK's SDI program) Victor has presented for the
public's edification the recorded testimony of the more credible
witnesses in the group. He hasn't introduced any politics or
side issues, just the straight, unadulterated and very powerful
testimony of these brave and competent volunteers. If Victor had
been in charge of the disclosure effort I would have backed him
with my life. By keeping the focus on the witnesses we could
have been a lot further along on the path to disclosure.

I hope someone like Kevin Randle gets to vet the witnesses at
some point so that we can all stand solidly behind those who can
pass the acid test. 'Unity' is not something that happens out of
thin air. It is something that has to be worked (hard) for and
earned. If the business of vetting the witnesses can be
performed in a timely manner and the 'new' resulting list agreed
upon by a healthy majority, the disclosure project would take on
new life and be able to 'finally' enjoy the support and unity
that it initially 'expected' would automatically be there. Real
life/real people don't work that way.

Glad you raised the point Don.


John Velez

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