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Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

From: Edward Case <sloweddy.nul>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:10:50 -0800 (PST)
Archived: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:37:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

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From: Edward Case
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>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:34:44 -0400
>Subject: Disclosure Witnesses & Credibility

>I've noted much about Dr. Greer on this and other Lists. Most
>agree that Greer himself leaves something to be desired where
>credibility is concerned. However what concerns me is the
>possibility that the baby might be being thrown out with the

>What is the concensus on this List regarding the quality of the
>disclosures by those witnesses that appeared during Greer's
>Disclosure Project?

>Has anyone broken down the presenters into groups as to the
>credibility of their disclosures?

>Is there a list of these presenters and their topics, somewhere?

Dear Don,

You have raised a very important point.  I think it is critical that people
who are interested in the truth about UFOs take a good look at the
credibility of the Disclosure Project witnesses. Some of them may be
unreliable - but the most important question is: "are any
of them telliing the truth, and if so, who?".

In response to your request I have posted a copy of a DP witness list and a
url for the website that I got it from.

Overall I have been very impressed with the high caliber of people and
content at this list - but when I read the post's on this list about Dr.
Greer, I was dissappointed. The responses were mostly negative and seemed
to miss the most critical point. By focusing on his possible shortcomings -
people were downplaying the importance of the Disclosure Project witness
testimony, and the National Press Club conference in May 2001.

I have heard Dr. Greer speak, spoken to him briefly and have read much
about him and by him.  There does seem to be ample evidence that Dr. Greer
has used bad judgement at times (especially in regards to copyright issues)
and that he may be off track with some of his beliefs about the UFO
phenomena. Everyone has shortcomings though and it is possible that some of
his more controversial beliefs may be turn out to be true. I thought that
Richard Dolan's article about Dr. Greer was a very balanced and well
written piece. I can find the url for it if any listerians are interested.

The Disclosure Project book has testimony transcripts. I think it is really
worthwhile to view the videotaped testimonies and read the transcripts also.

Donating a copy of both to the local library would make it possible for
others in your area to examine the evidence.

I think some of the best witnessness are: Gordon Cooper, John Callahan,
General Lovekin and Major Filer, but there are many more DP witnesses that
I find very credible.


Source: www.cedar.at/mailarchives/infoterra/2001/msg00581.html

Testimony that Explains the Secrecy:

Brigadier General Stephen Lovekin: Army National Guard Reserves
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
Lt. Col. Charles Brown: US Air Force (Ret.)
"Dr. B"
Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps
Maj. George A. Filer, III: US Air Force (Ret.)
Nick Pope: British Ministry of Defense Official
Larry Warren: US Air Force, Security Officer
Sgt. Clifford Stone: US Army
Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative
A.H.: Boeing Aerospace Employee
Officer Alan Godfrey: British Police
Sgt. Karl Wolf: US Air Force
Ms. Donna Hare: NASA Employee
Mr. John Maynard: DIA Official
Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer
Glen Dennis: NM UFO Crash Witness
Sgt. Leonard Pretko: US Air Force
Dr. Roberto Pinotti: Italian UFO expert
Dr. Paul Czysz: McDonnell Douglas Career Engineer


John Callahan: FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations
Michael Smith: US Air Force Radar Controller
Franklin Carter: US Navy Radar Technician
Neil Daniels: United Airlines Pilot
Lt. Frederick Fox: US Navy Pilot
Captain Robert Salas: US Air Force, SAC Launch Controller
Prof. Robert Jacobs: US Air Force
Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
James Kopf: US Navy Crypto Communications

Witness Testimony:

Monsignor Corrado Balducci: September 2000

Radar and Pilot Cases:

FAA Division Chief John Callahan
Sgt. Chuck Sorrells: US Air Force (ret.)
Mr. Michael W. Smith: US Air Force
Commander Graham Bethume: US Navy (ret.)
Mr. Enrique Colbeck: Senior Air Traffic Controller
Dr. Richard Haines
Mr. Franklin Carter: US Navy
Neil Daniels: Airline Pilot
Sgt. Robert Blazina (ret.)
Lieutenant Frederick Marshall Fox: US Navy (ret.)
Captain Massimo Poggi
Lt. Bob Walker: US Army
Mr. Don Bockelman: US Army


Captain Robert Salas
Professor Robert Jacobs: Lt. US Air Force
Lt. Colonel Dwynne Arneson: US Air Force (ret.)
Colonel Ross Dedrickson: US Air Force/AEC (ret.)
Harry Allen Jordan: US Navy
Mr. James Kopf: US Navy/ National Security Agency
Lieutenant Colonel Joe Wojtecki, US Air Force
Staff Sergeant Stoney Campbell: US Air Force

Government Insiders/ NASA/ Deep Insiders

Astronaut Gordon Cooper
Brigadier General Steven Lovekin, Esq.: Army National Guard Reserve
Merle Shane McDow: US Navy Atlantic Command
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Brown: US Air Force (ret.), October
Dr. Carol Rosin
Lance Corporal John Weygandt: U.S. Marine Corps,
Major A. Filer III: U.S. Air Force
Mr. Nick Pope: British Ministry Of Defense
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton: Five-Star Admiral, Former Head of the
British Ministry of Defense
Security Officer Larry Warren: United States Air Force,
Captain Lori Rehfeldt
Sergeant Clifford Stone: United States Army
Major-General Vasily Alexeyev: Russian Air Force
Master Sergeant Dan Morris: US Air Force/NRO Operative (ret.)
Mr. Don Phillips: Lockheed Skunkworks, USAF, and CIA Contractor
Captain Bill Uhouse: US Marine Corps (ret.)
Lieutenant Colonel John Williams: US Air Force (ret.)
Mr. Don Johnson
A.H.: Boeing Aerospace, December 2000
British Police Officer Alan Godfrey
Mr. Gordon Creighton: Former British Foreign Service Official
Sergeant Karl Wolfe: US Air Force
Donna Hare: Former NASA Employee
Mr. John Maynard: Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)
Mr. Harland Bentley: US Army
Dr. Robert Wood: McDonnell Douglas Aerospace Engineer,
Dr. Alfred Webre: Senior Policy Analyst, Stanford Research Institute
Denise McKenzie: Former SAIC employee
Mr. Paul H. Utz
Colonel Phillip J. Corso, Sr.: US Army (ret.)
Mr. Glen Dennis
Lieutenant Walter Haut: US Navy
Buck Sergeant Leonard Pretko: US Air Force
Mr. Dan Willis: US Navy
Dr. Roberto Pinotti


Mr. Mark McCandlish: US Air Force
Professor Paul Czysz
Dr. Hal Puthoff
David Hamilton: Department of Energy
Lieutenant Colonel Thomas E. Bearden: US Army (ret.)
Dr. Eugene Mallove
Dr. Paul La Violette
Mr. Fred Threlfell: Royal Canadian Air Force
Dr. Ted Loder


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