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Re: UAVs vs 'Rods'

From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 23:00:14 -0400
Archived: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:20:38 -0500
Subject: Re: UAVs vs 'Rods'

>From: Amy Hebert <yellowrose129.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:42:49 -0600
>Subject: UAVs vs 'Rods'

>Although most 'Rod' images have been demonstrated to be flying
>insects frozen in flight - see the IFO Database:




>the UFO in the FOX News footage from Albany, NY


>_seems_ to fly behind several clouds. Also, upon closer
>inspection, the extensions or 'wings' on the object do not seem
>to alternate as they do in images of alleged 'rods'.  The
>extensions appear straight and immobile.

>While working on various research projects yesterday, I came
>across a UAV nameded "Broomstick" made by AeroVironment which
>resembles the object captured in the Fox News video footage.
>AeroVironment illustrates this UAV at:


>between the Pointer and the Pathfinder.

>In addition, check out the latest news about the Pointer in
>Afghanistan and other UAV projects at:


>Notice how the illustration of Singapore Technologies Dynamics'
>mini-UAV (near the middle of the page) developed for horizontal
>flight and vertical takeoff and landing looks something like the
>object filmed by the Brighton Police in the Sussex skies:


>I can't help but wonder if the "rods" phenomenon was created as
>a diversion to increase the giggle factor in case witnesses
>happened to photograph or film these UAV's and other similar
>man-made craft.

Hi Amy,

I checked out some of the IFO sites claims of birds in flight.
It looks to me as if he went out and took pictures of birds in
flight-which they obviously were-and then identified them as
birds in flight. Some of the others were not so obvious yet he
claims they were birds in flight with no real proof of that.

I'd caution you in the use of UAVs as an explanation for the
Albany sighting and the Brighton Police sighting. The Albany
sighting still looks like a insect generated shutter abberation
on a video camera to me. The Brighton police sighting is harder
to explain. As for UAVs, check your aviation regulations FAA and
CAA and find me one that permits the military to fly these
things in anything but a war zone or a practice area known as a
MOA or Military Operations Area. Think what you are talking
about here, an unmanned test vehicle, in each case flying over
two heavily populated regions.

Number one - the law does not allow this and two - it's stupid
and irresponsible.And if you want three-what happens if it
malfunctions and crashes into one of these populated regions?

I'd advise everyone to think carefully before attributing UFOs
to UAVs and experimental test vehicles when it comes to densely
populated areas and violating high use control zones. Certainly
no UAVs would ever be permitted there.

Albany incidentally has a control zone that is 20 nautical
 miles in diameter with its center at Albany RCO. It has a
double ARSA [Airport Radar Service Area] each of which stretches
upward about 1 mile AGL.


Don Ledger

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