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Re: Filer's Files #45 - 2002

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul>
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 13:19:42 EST
Archived: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:15:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Filer's Files #45 - 2002

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:06:43 -0400
>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #45 - 2002

>>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 16:57:45 EST
>>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #45 - 2002

>>>From: George A. Filer <Majorstar.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 10:11:48 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Filer's Files #45 - 2002


>>>>The witness stated, "It then turned west and dimmed, as though
>>>>it was thundering back into space. "

>>>I was unaware that Iridium satellites changed direction.
>>>However, the description is similar to those objects captured on
>>>video from the Space Shuttle. Russian Pravda is claiming the US
>>>has aircraft that operate in space


>>When the witness assumed that it was, "thundering back into
>>space", he assumed that it turned west because it dimmed.

>>How would an "aircraft" operating in space "turn"? It would be
>>in orbit.

>>Pravda, the old Communist Party paper, means 'Truth', in
>>Russian. There is another paper, "Isvestia", meaning 'News'.
>>Back in the old days there used to be a joke in Moscow, "There's
>>no news in the Truth, and no truth in the News."

>>Just disinformation.

>Not every witness is an inveterate liar. You need more than you are
>running with here before you can come to your conclusion.


I'm sorry if I included two seperate ideas in one post. 1) The
witness was most likely mistaken, confusing a dimming with a
change in motion. Where did you get the idea that I thought he
was an "inteterate liar"? There are more possibilities than hoax
or TRUFO. 2) The source for George's information about US
aircraft and spacecraft has a history of passing out

>You asked:

>>How would an "aircraft" operating in space "turn"? It would be
>>in orbit.

>That's the whole point Bob, space craft can turn in space but
>not to the degree that this apparently did and not as swiftly.

We may be talking about apples and oranges, here. An Iridium
satellite flash lasts a few seconds and satellite can dim to
invisibility, hence seeming to zoom away. There are satellites
which change orbits, but compared to the man Iridium flashes
visible daily, it is likely that this is the answer.

>You are trying also to get too much milage out of the "suddenly
>speeding away from the witness object as being the light winking

>Time to show some proof of this effect.

Go to:


put in your location and find out when these satellite flashes
will be visible at your location. Then go out and look.

If you want video examples for your files you can probably use
any hand-helf videocamera, but it would be better to put it on a

I believe that Dave Clarke called our attention recently to
pilot's reports of reentering space debris where they thought
they were zooming away into space. I had proposed that this
dimming as meteor debris burned out is a possible explanation to
the famous 1952 Nash-Fortenberry saucer "formation" case.

>Let's see some video examples and some verification of this
>theory by some scientists please.

As for scientists verifying that satellites reflect the sun, and
that the changing aspect of the reflecting surface will cause a
varying amout of light to reach the oberver, you could probably
do a lit search yourself on the changing brightness of the Moon.

Clear skies,

Bob Young

"The Driver Carries No Spoons." -- Seen on an ice cream truck

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