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Re: NASA Scrubs Moon Hoax Book

From: Larry Hatch <larry.nul>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 13:25:15 -0800
Archived: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 14:43:19 -0500
Subject: Re: NASA Scrubs Moon Hoax Book

>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:22:56 +0000
>Subject: Re: NASA Scrubs Moon Hoax Book

>>From: Larry Hatch <larry.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 06:09:24 -0800
>>Subject: Re: NASA Scrubs Moon Hoax Book

>>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:51:32 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: NASA Scrubs Moon Hoax Book

>>Hi Jim:


>>It was easy enough to ignore the yahoos at first, that's my
>>first inclination. Who cares what a few nuts think? But then,
>>over time as memories dim and new generations arise, it starts
>>to sound credible .. more and more people start to doubt we
>>landed a man on the Moon.

>>There are definite parallels to the Holocaust, a very similar
>>denial, and the same sort of pot-boiler opportunism.

>I think this is a very important point, and I wonder if it is
>just "pot- boiler opportunism". I quote the following from Peter
>Rogerson's review of a book, "Telling Lies About Hitler", about
>the David Irving trial in Britain, which in on the Magonia
>website. Irving sued the historian Deborah Lipstadt for naming
>him as a Holocaust denier. Peter commented:
>"Evans points out that the holocaust denial strikes at the very
>heart of historical knowledge, if we can start to doubt major
>world events with thousands of witnesses, mountains of documents
>of all kinds, all knitting together, then we never know any
>about the past. (What comes next: there never was a First World
>War; slavery in the USA was a myth; the Berlin Wall never
>existed?). Of course, outside the ranks of the neo-Nazi faithful
>full-frontal holocaust denial has not made many converts;
>perhaps that is why the "revisionists" are now taking on less
>emotive targets, such as the moon landing, as a sort of
>seduction. If you can persuade someone that one of the central
>events of the twentieth century never occurred, it makes arguing
>others were fakes that much easier. You can also get
>documentaries on TV channels which which would never entertain
>the real hard stuff."

>http://www.magonia.demon.co.uk/arc/00/sept02.htm for the full review

>It might be interesting to examine the backgrounds of some of
>those most forceful in promoting the "Moon Landing Hoax".

>John Rimmer
>Magonia Magazine

Hello John:

That is an interesting and well written review. I personally
doubt a much larger agenda to this, simple commercialism seems
the easiest, most likely explanation to me.

Try this on. Some relatively obscure writer, would like to
improve his beer budget and get onto the best seller lists. He
seeks out an issue that will resonate with a large readership.

Aha! There is no visual sign of the airliner that crashed into
the Pentagon on 9/11! Well now. He looks up material to support
the thesis that no such thing happened, ignores all the evidence
that is did indeed occur, gets on a few talk shows and whammo!
Champagne, fine cheeses, and a name to remember.

I am just now in some fruitful correspondence with the webmaster
of UFO-Wisconsin. That site had put up a statement that  was
second only to New Mexico for unexplained UFO sightings.

Earlier, I had posted results from my database which strongly
contradicted that claim, on this list. Not only is New Mexico
9th on my list of states and Canadian provinces (instead of
first, by raw events counts) But  is trailing sadly around 18th
or 20th place!

The webmaster found my name and emailed me with the explanation
that the information came from one Jay Rath who wrote a book
called "the W-Files". He has a few more, the I-Files for
Illinois and others in the US Midwest region. Each seems devoted
to a statewide target audience and is devoted to the general
paranormal (ghost stories etc.)

The webmaster indicated that she will contact Jay Rath for more
information. According to the webmaster in, the pertinent
quotation from the W-Files is:

"One U.S. Air Force summary shows that - with the exception of
a section of New Mexico - the north central region of the
country has the largest number of unexplained sightings. Of the
states in the north-central region,  has the most."

Taken from page 60 of "The W-Files" book, 1997, copyrighted by
Jay Rath

Hopefully Rath will indicate the provenance of that summary,
plus the customary qualifications, disclaimers, Aztec two-step,
what have you.

By making my sample size suitably small, restricting data to
hours or days, I can make most any place into a UFO Hotspot!

One newspaper and various discussion lists have given the
Wisconsin webmaster a severe roasting as you might well imagine.
It is not my intention to rub salt into the wounds. Lets see
what the W-Files author has to say.

Best wishes

- Larry Hatch

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