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Re: Starship Memories

From: Will Bueche <willb3d.nul>
Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:13:52 -0500
Archived: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:32:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Starship Memories


>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:11:20 EST
>Subject: Re: Starship Memories - Randle

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>There are two things that bother me about this study. First, the
>assumption that alien abduction is not grounded in reality
>without providing the proof for that statement.

<snip>

>Second, the assumption that her comparison group, Vietnam
>Veterans, had combat experiences known to be real. I would like
>to know how she validated that and would guess that if someone
>came forward with these self-described tales of combat, they
>were accepted at face value.

Kevin,

Two quick clarifications.

One, Richard McNally's study is not mentioned in the Harvard
article; I brought it up because I felt that Susan Clancy's
research (the word-association test described in the article)
was weak research compared to that of her supervisor (McNally),
which I was personally familiar with.

So just to clarify, I brought up a second Harvard study which
had little to do with the word-association test that Susan
Clancy did.

Susan Clancy's control group were not veterans, they were just
average folk. In that light, one needs to ask why the
experiencers made more errors in the word recall - were they
trying too hard to establish that their recall ability was good?
I expect so. But it could also be that experiencers' minds are
more conceptual and less verbal... a trend seen in philosophers,
if I am not mistaken, yes? Her study is provocative, but not for
the reasons she thinks.

Two, the Veterans in McNally's as-yet-unpublished study were not
a control group in the typical sense of individuals-that-were-
selected, but rather, as I understand it, they have a database
from past decades that shows the average physiological responses
of a vast number of veterans. I beleive they also ran some
regular folks as controls, ran average people afresh, to see if
average people could be prompted to have the responses seen in
both of those groups. But obviously we'll need to see the
published paper, and I look forward to that.

It is nice that Harvard has a newfound openness towards
research. (Too bad they won't compensate Dr. Mack for the
$100,000 he blew in legal defense when they weren't so open in
the past!).

But to your core point, that some of the Vietnam veterans who
comprised their database may have been fakers trying to get
compensation: That is indeed a fact of life but the data from
any such fakers would I expect have been averaged out, if we
allow that only a fraction would have been such people. If
fakers are dominant in number, then of course your point stands,
as they'd throw off the averages if they were dominant.


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