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Re: Starship Memories

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993.nul>
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 09:11:20 EST
Archived: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:31:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Starship Memories


>From: Will Bueche <willb3d.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:32:37 -0500
>Subject: Re: Starship Memories

>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>- UFO UpDates Subscribers -
>>Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:15:41 -0500
>>Subject: Starship Memories

>>Source: The Harvard Gazette

>>http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/10.31/09-clancy.html

>Starship Memories:
>>"Alien abductees" provide clues to repressed, recovered memories

>>Susan Clancy's research has taken her into alien territory.

>><snip>

>Yet the recovered-memory abductees as a group were much more
>likely to falsely remember the word sweet - not on the list, but
>suggested by it - than either of the other two groups. In this
>laboratory test, the recovered-memory group was more prone than
>the other two groups to create false memories.

>snip<

>McNally's study, unlike Clancy's, directly studied reports of
>alien encounters by comparing the physiological responses of
>experiencers (their skin conductivity, for example, I gather)
>measured while they were listening to a narrative of their own
>encounter experiences, compared to a vast database cataloguing
>the physiological responses of Vietnam combat veterans (who were
>recorded earlier at Harvard's facility in New Hampshire). These
>comparison made sense because both parties have been through
>trauma, with experiencers fulfilling most, though fortunately
>not all, of the scores for post-traumatic stress disorder (as
>measured on a separate, written exam).

>In this study, the physiological responses that mark a real
>traumatic experience are measured by devices attached to the
>subjects' bodies. Since the Veterans' combat experiences were
>known to be real, the pattern of physiological responses has for
>years been considered one of the ways to determine authenticity
>of experience

Good Morning, All -

There are two things that bother me about this study. First, the
assumption that alien abduction is not grounded in reality
without providing the proof for that statement. It is an
assumption based on the researcher's bias and would seem to
invalidate her conclusions right off the bat.

Second, the assumption that her comparison group, Vietnam
Veterans, had combat experiences known to be real. I would like
to know how she validated that and would guess that if someone
came forward with these self-described tales of combat, they
were accepted at face value.

We know, from such work as Stolen Valor, that large numbers of
men claiming horrific combat in Vietnam have invented those
tales. In one startling example all eight members of a support
group that told their terrible tales of Vietnam combat, who had
been in therapy for years, and who were receiving compensation
from the government, were all inventing their stories. In fact,
one or two of them had never set foot in Vietnam, let alone
experienced combat.

So, it seems to me that if she didn't bother to validate her
Vietnam veterans, and some of those used in the study were
fakers, then her entire study is invalidated. It might be useful
to find out what we can about the "Vietnam" veterans because
there are records available...


KRandle


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