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Re: Black Projects Come Out

From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 23:12:59 -0700
Archived: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:30:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out

>From: Don Ledger <dledger.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 00:02:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out

>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:32:33 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out

>>>From: Tim Matthews <TMMatthews99.nul>
>>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:58:34 EST
>>>Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out


>>Earth lights? This has been proven??

>Hi Jim,

>I wasn't going to bother getting into these explanations of
>Tim's but the Earthlights thing is a little too much. It's a
>case of trying to prove one phenomenon doesn't exist by
>explaining it away as another unproved phenomenon.

>The Experimental aircraft from the 40s and early 50s as
>explanations for most UFOs are ludicrous. Most of these could
>barely get off the ground or out of their own way let alone
>perform as most UFOs are said to perform. Tim had to ignore a
>hell of a lot to make these claims. I've never seen so much
>whittling of square pegs to get them into round holes.

>Tim, you must be knee deep in shavings.

I've known this for some time. On ParaNet back in the late
eighties we had several members describe sightings of strange
aircraft which later turned out to be the Stealth fighter. Their
descriptions were quite accurate in hindsight - nothing saucer-
like or bizarre, no anomalous movements, no hovering.  They
quite obviously recognized them as airplanes of some kind, just
not of any kind they had seen before.

This is not to say that I am convinced the FTs are not some
highly secret earth-born project.

Note, first of all, that the triangles did not seem to make
themselves known until the early 1980s, as I recall, which could
conceivably indicate that they are a separate phenomenon from
"flying saucers." And then there is this ubiquitous "spoiler"

It seems that every time we get a high-profile FT sighting, it
is accompanied by some sort of distraction that seems designed
to lessen our confidence in the sightings, or deflect attention,
or perhaps provide plausible deniability.

With the Hudson Valley case, it was the 'Ultralight Club' flying
in formation at night. (To me, this backfired when the Pozzuolis
caught both the object and the pilots on videotape, showing a
striking difference.)

In the case of the Phoenix Lights, it was this curious
coincidence of a flare drop behind the South Mountains -
something that has not occurred before or since in the 17 years
I've lived here. (We also have a merry band of night flyers here
in Phoenix, and they've created their share of UFO reports... but
nothing so dramatic as the events of March 1997).

And I seem to recall that there was a spate of legitimate
boomerang sightings near Elgin AFB about a month _before_ Ed
Walters showed up with his cute little lantern photos.

Haven't heard much about those sightings since Ed came on the
scene... are we missing something here folks?


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