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Re: Black Projects Come Out

From: John Novak <john.nul>
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:51:37 -0800
Archived: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:21:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out

>From: Tim Matthews <TMMatthews99.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 04:58:34 EST
>Subject: Re: Black Projects Come Out

>From the Boeing 360 to the jet-powered pancakes, the Navy disc
>projects at China Lake, the AVRO effort, those at Papoose Lake
>and elsewhere, comes significant evidence that discs, and later
>FTs, were, and are, terrestrial. Of course we are rarely
>afforded either the chance to debate with people like Stanton,
>the chance to write about this in journals or magazines or to
>present these apparently shocking ideas to conference attenders.
>TV programme makers don't want to hear it either, as seven years
>in this game have shown me.

>Shame, really, because if we had the amounts of money made
>available to Ufology to "prove" the alien case we'd be so much
>further advanced. In the meantime, I'm happy to accept the
>testimony of Frank Carlson (who worked at Papoose Lake from
>1960-62), Thomas Smith (Chance Vought 1944-46), Jack Pickett
>(McDill 1960s) and others who tell us that we are right and that
>everything else is belief driven.

>I don't intend to get into a ding dong debate on this because
>very few are even interested in changing their minds or
>admitting that they could be wrong. In my view, and that of my
>many colleagues, Ufology is pretty much an alien believer cult
>hardened against contrary evidence. It's not that we're against
>the idea that UFOs could be alien, only that there is much
>better evidence that aliens were promoted from the 1950s onwards
>to cover the activity of US-made flying discs and, latterly,

Can you tell me when Boeing first opened it's doors? How about
Lockheed Martin? Did they begin producing flyings chariots,
discs and wheels back in Biblical times and before? Were these
US-made flying discs hovering around cave dwelers tens of
thousands of years ago that so impreesed them that they carved
petroglyphs of them into cave walls and on rocks? Did they make
their plans available to the ancient Indian yogis so they could
write detailed explanations of them into their Vedas? How about
the ones flying over the head of Alexander the Great? Were the
"Skunk Works" boys flying around in the skies over 14th, 15th &
16th century painters who decided to add them in to their art,
showing discs shooting out beams of light?

Aliens from another world? I don't know. But what I do know is
that this is an issue humanity has been wrestling with for as
long as we've been on this planet. If anything, the only
critical words I can give for a man like Stanton Friedman and
others like him is that we seem to be focused on making this an
"extraterrestrial" explanation, meaning some sort of "flesh and
bone" intelligent life-form. Modern science can only measure 1%
or so of the known universe that exists all around us. To me,
this shows how absolutely ignorant we as humans are as to the
nature of reality and under what circumstances life can exist
and evolve into conscious intelligence! Start listening to the
theoretical physicists and we begin to see that we are living in
a multi-dimensional Multi-verse!

In an infinite universe, there exists and infinite amount of
possibilities. But I don't think this timeline includes US-made
flying discs reaching that far back into history.

As for this huge amount of money that exists for Ufology to
prove anything, please let me know how to get on that bandwagon.
I have a wife and family to feed! LOL

John Novak
Changing Planet

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