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Re: MOGUL Mangled Math

From: Dave Morton <Marspyrs.nul>
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 14:45:53 EST
Archived: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 12:24:44 -0400
Subject: Re: MOGUL Mangled Math

>From: Tim Printy <TPrinty.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:08:10 EST
>Subject: Re: MOGUL Mangled Math - Printy

>>From: Brad Sparks <removedbyrequest>>
>>To: ufoupdates.nul
>>Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 05:41:06 EST
>>Subject: Re: MOGUL Mangled Math - Sparks

>>I am not even going to bother quoting this long
>>tirade from math challenged Tim Printy, who made a
>>grave mistake taking me on when he doesn't know
>>what he is talking about.

>I am not sure what you mean by a "grave mistake". Is it because
>you felt that you could not be wrong and people should not
>challenge your claims? I may be math challenged but I am still
>trying to figure out how you measured 34 miles on the 1997
>figure (Note: Rudiak lists this value as 31 miles on his

>>Printy's phony map "measurements" with all the
>>bogus decimals are deceptively done on PRINTY's
>>MAP locations rather than on MOORE's MAP
>>locations, and are completely invalid and irrelevant
>>to my measurements on Moore's maps.

>Hmmm... I am not sure what you mean by Printy's map. I
>apparently used the same maps as you. That is, the maps
>published in Pflock's book, the Moore/Saler/ Ziegler book, and
>the 1994 USAF report. Are there others that I am not aware of?
>Perhaps you can present them for us to examine. Otherwise, my
>values are not invalid or irrelevant until you can show that
>they are. Is this rebuttal by declaration? Are you suggesting
>that Rudiak's 31 miles is "phony" as well since it disagrees
>with your 34 miles?

>>Just take your rulers out folks and make the
>>measurements on Moore's maps and see if I am right.
>>Post your results here.

>Please do. I stand by my measurements. Just don't use some ruler
>that you take out of a crayon box.

Could someone just scan the maps, label them (title, author(s),
date, page, figure number), and throw them up on a website?
Remind us again where we're measuring "from" and "to"... Then we
can all print them and take out our rulers and measure. I would
think that measuring within a few tenths of a mile would be
close enough for this issue...

Listing the measurements published or posted for each map by
Moore, Sparks and Printy wouldn't hurt, either.

Dave Morton

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