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Re: Cosmic Top Secret

From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:18:42 -0500
Archived: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 10:44:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>From: John W. Auchettl <Praufo.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:19:00 EST
>Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:25:34 -0500
>>Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:41:59 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret


>>>In addition I required a Q clearance which was normally thought
>>>of as being somewhere between SECRET and TOP SECRET.

>>This is completely false. A Q clearance was necessary for access
>>to nuclear data. It is not between anything.



>Hi list,

>Just reading the post on this subject and some are full of

>What Jan said is wrong, in fact Stan is correct.

>I have no problems with the data in the posts, and the
>corrections. For example "Unclassified" is an important level
>usually missed by people who don't understand the complexity of
>the system.


>However, the inexperienced always leave out the levels in the
>structure, I have no idea why. I think it's because most see it
>as a 'document restriction system' (paper lock) when it is a
>'human restriction system' (human lock).

>The problem is that everyone thinks that the Classification
>defines the security, but it does not!

>Some facts to remember:

>[1]. Levels of Protection are always above Classification
>of Protection.

>[2]. Humans move the data, not paper.

>[3]. You can always move down the levels, sometime across the
>levels but definitely NOT up the levels.

>The top dog in the 'Levels of Protection' is the OS - "Official
>Secrets" level.

>This is the Official Secrets Act stamp and is a "lifetime duty
>of confidentiality" or a 'Black Hole' stamp or lock.

>If you sign this form, then you have in fact in a very odd way
>cut out all other levels. The force of this protection will only
>come into action if the authorities hit you with the OS stamp.
>Even Stan cannot get out of this one if I hit him with a OS!

>Nothing moves, down sideway or up - you're a dead duck.


>Nick Pope post is an important post and needs to be understood.
>"COSMIC top secret" is the highest classification marking in
>NATO and it is equivalent to "UK top secret".


>So in fact Stan Friedman is correct, he was between S and TS. It
>is not a simple 4 level stamp and it would take some time to
>work it out if you have no idea how the system is structured,
>that's another post another day.

>Regards to all,



>OS - Lifetime Confidential <--- The Head dog
>CTS - Cosmic
>S - DoD SAP     <--- Stans Level (?)
>S - SCI
>C - DoD SAP
>C - SCI
>R - BIGOT LIST    <--- Non USA
>E - EMBARGO     <--- Non USA

>(above list is not accurate - sample only)


All that I can say is your post is nonsense. If by SCI you mean
Sensitive Compartmentalized Information which is the US mean of
the abbreviation, such material only existed at the Top Secret

If by SAP you mean, Special Access Program, the US meaning of
the abbreviation, then such programs are set up for special
application where the 'need to know' is limited to a certain
designated group of people. The Personnel Reliability Program is
an example, personnel who are authorized or in training to
either work on nuclear weapons, deliver nuclear orders, or
handle the nuclear codes and key are designated on written
orders. These are the only ones allowed to deal with the
specific material even though others may indeed have a higher
level clearance.

If you will review the Department of Energy Definitions and
Army Regulation 380-5. You will see there is no half
way point between Secret and Top Secret. A Q clearance gives
access to material and data especially limited under the
Atomic Energy Act. It is not between anything.

NATO classified material is not a level it parallels the US,
UK, French, German, etc., etc. It is pact organization
classified designation.

COSMIC TOP SECRET simply means NATO Top Secret. Again, simply
review Section VIII of AR 380-5.


Eyes Only is not a classification, but an order. It is no
regulatory designation. Marshall and Hap Arnold use to
correspond with one another on Arnold's health. Arnold
classified his letters as Secret and added an Eyes Only for
General Marshall as he did not his health problems spread around
either his or Marshall's staff.

My access during my stay in Europe was NCSA, Cosmic Top Secret
Atonal. I did not have a COSMIC Top Secret Clearance a la Robert
Dean. This is quite incorrect! During my stay I was authorized
to see COSMIC Top Secret information relevant to my duties. My
clearance was Top Secret, when I left Europe my access to COSMIC
Top Secret information ended, but my Top Secret clearance
continued. Again, see AR 380-5.

Jan Aldrich

Project 1947
P. O. Box 391
Canterbury, CT 06331
(860) 546-9135

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