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Re: Cosmic Top Secret

From: Robert Gates <RGates8254.nul>
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:57:59 EST
Archived: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:32:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>From: Jan Aldrich <project1947.nul>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 22:25:34 -0500
>Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>>From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys.nul>
>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:41:59 -0400
>>Subject: Re: Cosmic Top Secret

>>>From: Anthony Cipoletta <cipey.nul>
>>>To: <ufoupdates.nul>
>>>Subject: Cosmic Top Secret
>>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:04:44 -0500

>>3. The GAO, in its search for Roswell related documents, noted
>>on page 80 of their 400+ page overview background package that
>>they had noted documents classified TOP SECRET RESTRICTED even
>>though they had been told (Majestic 12) that no such designation
>>was in use at the time (1954).

>No, this is incorrect. I believe you are talking about
>Restricted Data and Formerly Restricted Data both of which refer
>to nuclear related information. Again, I would like to see such
>a document that can be independently obtained from an archives.

In my research, I have actually seen documents that were marked
with Top Secret Restricted that had absolutly nothing do with so
called "Restricted Data." From documents that I have seen from
the Archives, not to mention photocopys I have seen over the
years many highly classified documents were not stamped
properly, or created exactly as the manual said they should be
created, marked or stamped. This didn't diminish from the fact
that they were highly classified until they were declassified,
just career level govt workers, White House workers and staff
members didn't always "do it by the book."

>>I had also noted, in Archives, documents classified as SECRET
>>classified programs relating to nuclear activities, one very
>>RESTRICTED DATA on classified documents.

>Again, I don't think you saw Secret Restrict, but rather Secret
>Restricted Data (SRD)

>The GOA Roswell investigators were cleared for access to nuclear
>weapons data and could see Top Secret Restricted Data.

>One problem in researching at archives is that documents
>containing Restricted Data must be reviewed by the Energy
>Department for release in addition to the originating agency. A
>real problem when nuclear capable units of, say the Air Force,
>are involved.

>>In addition I required a Q clearance which was normally thought
>>of as being somewhere between SECRET and TOP SECRET.

>This is completely false. A Q clearance was necessary for access
>to nuclear data. It is not between anything.

While that may technically be true, List members will recall a
much earlier post from me directly quoting the Congressional
testimony of the director of Sandia Labs. He stated that a Q
clearance was equivilant to a Top Secret and a L clearance was
equivilant to a Secret. Bottom line is these clearences only
apply to nuclear materials and a person with a Q clearance could
not walk over to a DOD project and expect to be given knowledge
about it even if it concerned nuclear materials.

A DOD person shouldn't expect to walk over to DOE HQ and be
given access to weapons material... even though said person may
have TS/Codeword clearances relating to the DOD side of say a
nuclear weapons project.

The DOD person would have to go over to DOE, demonstrate a need-
to-know, be cleared for access and get investigated to get an L
or Q clearence. The DOE person would have to go over to DOD,
demonstrate a need-to-know, be cleared for access and get
investigated to get a clearance into the DOD project.

>Security manuals are readily available to researchers so
>mis-statement like this could easily be avoided with a little

Again, in my visits to the archives, I have found that many
documents were not created by the book, nor were they stamped by
the book and in some instances some of them did not have any
kind of TS control number... even though that is required.



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