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Re: Science & The Failure To Investigate

From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser.nul>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:33:36 -0700
Archived: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:09:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Science & The Failure To Investigate

>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2.nul>
>To: ufoupdates.nul
>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 23:37:55 EST
>Subject: Re: Science & The Failure To Investigate Unidentified
>Aerial Phenomena

>>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates.nul>
>>To: - UFO UpDates Subscribers -
>>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:09:39 -0500
>>Subject: Science & The Failure To Investigate Unidentified Aerial Phenomena



>Since Greer's effort just seems to have pettered out, it looks
>like this is an attempt to do the same thing, again, just for

>What a piece of crap. It continues the BS approach of Sturrock
>in the "Executive Summary" by not even mentioning the Colorado
>Report, except in passing, but then later actually ignores it
>again with, "There has been no independent Federally financed
>scientific research conducted into these phenomena since 1969".
>Later in the body of the report it does mention the findings
>and the NAS endorsement. Of course it does exactly what it
>accuses Condon of doing: negative conclusions in the summary
>which the press reads, ignoring the full report.

>And then, "29 percent of the cases studied in the Condon Report
>remain unexplained to this day," citing Sturrock, but mentioning
>nothing published by skeptics on these cases since 1969.

Has it occurred to you, Bob, that the skeptical writings on UFOs
have been considered and largely discarded? To include all the
skeptical answers in such a report would cloud the issue. The
fact that we recognize that 80-90% of UFO cases are explainable
is due largely to the work of skeptics - both within and outside
of the UFO movement (yes, some of us in here are skeptics as
well!) The report isn't ABOUT those cases... it's about the ones
the debunkers have failed to explain - yes, including the
Washington Invasion, which no one in their right mind believes
was a temperature inversion.

And about this charge of "crass commercialism"...extraordinary
claims demand extraordinary proof. Extraordinary proof demands
extraordinary research, which demands time, which demands
extraordinary infusions of cash. Up until recently, that cash
has been hard to come by. We thought we saw a light at the end
of the tunnel when a few eccentric millionaires started joining
the fray; alas, they had their own wacko agendas, and the money
was largely wasted. Finally, we have a deep pockets interested
in the subject, that has taken a more-or-less mainstream stance
in a public venue. That it has commercial underpinnings is,
well, the way of the world. You would deny us this opportunity
because it comes to us by way of "crass commercialism"? You have
no idea whether the Sci-Fi channel sees that as simply another
avenue to be exploited only for the purpose of lining their
pockets, or whether someone at Sci-Fi has a genuine interest in
this subject and is using the company's public and financial
standing to make some inroads into solving the mystery.

Look at it this way, Bob. If there's really nothing to the UFO
question, all this publicity will blow over, the CFI will fade
away quietly, and all your bluster will be wasted breath. You
have nothing to fear.


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