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Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy - Hall

From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:40:23 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:19:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy - Hall

 >From: Stanton Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
 >To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:27:26 -0300
 >Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy

 >>From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
 >>Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:57:57 EDT
 >>Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 >>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@earthlink.net>
 >>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:03:42 -0700
 >>>Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy

 >>>>From: Bruce Hutchinson <bhutch@grassyhill.com>
 >>>>Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:31:06 -500
 >>>>Fwd Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:48:28 -0400
 >>>>Subject: Re: Roswell 'Hieroglyph' Controversy - Hutchinson

 >>>However, Moore does note that if he changed just one of his
 >>>assumptions, the balloon could also have ended up about 150
 >>>miles away:

 >>>(p. 93) "If the balloons had not entered the stratosphere but
 >>>had continued in the upper troposphere, _they would have passed
 >>>17 miles south of the actual landing site and would have landed
 >>>more than 150 miles to the east at the end of the [assumed] 343-
 >>>minute flight."

 >>>That would have put Flight 4 somewhere in southwest Kansas, not
 >>>the Foster ranch. Where did you get the idea that Moore's
 >>>analysis somehow proved that the balloons came down within 17
 >>>miles of the ranch?

 >>David goes on and on and on about his variables, assumptions,
 >>mentions neightboring states, if this and that had been different.

 >>The problem with all of this is that no balloon train debris were
 >>found in Kansas, but something very similar was found on the
 >>Foster Ranch.

 >I almost burped my coffee reading Bob's silly comment based on
 >the old debunker dictum "Absence of Evidence is evidence for

 >Just how is it Bob or anybody else knows what was or was not
 >found East of the Foster Ranch? Ranchers found weather
 >balloons... that is what Mogul was, not those beautiful tear drop
 >shaped poly ones so loved by makers of pseudo-documentaries,
 >all the time. Trash.

 >In addition, there is nothing about the wreckage that Brazel,
 >and Marcel, dealt with, that matches the Mogul package at all.
 >No memory material, no I-beams that couldn't be broken or
 >burned, no strange symbols (except on Toy tape that nobody has

 >Lost in the shuffle here is yet another reminder that none of
 >the technology of Mogul was highly classified. If it was, the
 >balloon junk would have certainly been followed and recovered.

 >The practice of debunkery gets stranger and stranger all the

Bob and other skeptibunkers excel at force-fitting data to
support their preconceived conclusions. It had to be a Mogul
balloon, therefore the vaguest and most incomplete evidence of
such is presented as absolute fact.

The 1973 Ohio helicopter case had to be a fireball meteor,
therefore it was a fireball meteor despite the total lack of
evidence for it and internal evidence that the fireball
hypothesis does not fit the facts.

The 1966 Ravenna, Ohio, police chase case had to be Venus,
therefore it was Venus, despite the documented facts that show
the absurdity of this assertion.

Never let it be said that skeptibunkers engage in anything
approaching objective analysis of important UFO cases; they know
the answers in advance (ALL UFOs have prosaic explanations) and
"prove" them by advancing totally unsubstantiated and often
counter-to-fact claims.

  - Dick

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