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Re: Turkey Springs Arizona Gone - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:31:00 -0400
Fwd Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Turkey Springs Arizona Gone - Velez

 >From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com>
 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:06:35 -0700
 >Subject: Re: Turkey Springs Arizona Gone - Speiser

 >>From: GT McCoy <gtmccoy@harborside.com>
 >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 17:48:06 -0700
 >>Subject: Re: Turkey Springs Arizona Gone

 >>>From: Jim Speiser <jimspeiser@yahoo.com>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>>Subject: Turkey Springs Arizona Gone
 >>>Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 11:53:53 -0700

 >>I've fought many fires on the Apache Rez and in the Apache-
 >>Sitgraves, Based in Winslow. My heart goes out to you folks.


 >>>I don't wish to go into more detail until I have had a chance to
 >>>find and speak with Mike again, to (a) make sure he and his
 >>>family are safe, and (b) ascertain to what extent he was able to
 >>>gather evidence from the Turkey Springs area. Suffice to say for
 >>>the moment that whatever really happened at Turkey Springs may
 >>>remain a tree-whispered secret that is now 'Gone with the

 >>Yes, and I am saddened too, not only for the loss of the most
 >>goregous Ponderosa forest anywhere, and the economic loss, if
 >>there was an answer to the Walton case, that too. This from a
 >>Walton doubter. I hope and pray things will turn out well for
 >>you folks,

 >Thank you, GT, we all deeply appreciate the country's concern.

 >This loss is not just Arizona's, but the nation's as well.

Hello Jim, GT, All,

As a New Yorker who knows all too well how the folks in Arizona
are feeling right now, I wanted to express my empathy. The rest
of the country came through for us after Sept. 11 and I'm
certain they will come through for the people and businesses
that have been adversely affected in Arizona. My best wishes to
you all.

Re: Travis Walton/Mike Rogers

I had the pleasure of dinning with both of these gentlemen and
their wives at the gala dinner that was held at the 50th
anniversary celebration of the Roswell case. (In Roswell, 1997)

I found both of these men to be bright, serious and sober
individuals. Not the type that could even remotely be labelled
as 'kooks'. I have been following this thread closely because I
happen to be among those that believe Travis and Mike and their
account of what transpired on the day that Travis disappeared.
(And subsequently re-appeared)

I am curious Jim, were you hoping to find (after all this time)
some kind of residual physical evidence at the location of the
abduction? Do you know if anyone (at the time) bothered to
inspect the trees for damage? Or if radiation levels,
electromagnetic anomalies and such were ever checked/measured?

If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about what it was you
were looking for/going to check out, at the site.

Brief digression:

There's a funny story about how we came to be seated at the same
table at the dinner in Roswell. I was attending the event with
Budd Hopkins. Budd was seated at the speakers table so I was
left to fend for myself when it came to seating. There were
several large, empty tables available so it wasn't like I didn't
have a choice.

Because I was tired of answering questions and talking to
strangers I looked for the most isolated, out of the way, and
empty table in the hanger. (We were at the 509th Bomber Group
airbase - in the very hanger where Pappy Henderson claims he saw
the little alien bodies and crates of debris.)

I made myself a plate from the buffet and made a bee-line for a
table way in the back of the hanger and up against the far wall
from the entrance. After a few moments a woman came over to me
and asked if the other seats were available. I told her yes and
she headed off to get her husband - Travis Walton.

After introductions he called over to someone he obviously knew
and it turned out to be Mike Rogers and his wife. They joined
us. A few minutes later another woman comes over to our table
and asked if the remaining four chairs were available. We told
her "Yes.", and she soon returned with three others.

After everybody introduced themselves to each other it dawned on
all of us that we were all abductees! In fact, every abductee
that was speaking at, or attending, the many talks and
conferences was seated at our table. It was not planned, and
none of us even knew each other before meeting at that dinner

Pure coincidence? 'Freaky' coincidence says I! We all shared a
huge cosmic laugh over it. :)

Regards, and nice to meet you and have you on the List Jim.

John Velez

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