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Re: Bob Lazar - True or False? - Hamilton

From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Bob Lazar - True or False? - Hamilton

 >From: Tim Matthews <TMMatthews99@aol.com>
 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:04:44 EDT
 >Subject: Re: Bob Lazar - True or False?

 >>From: Glenn Campbell <campbell@ufomind.com>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:51:00 -0700
 >>Subject: Bob Lazar - True or False?

 >>By Glenn Campbell

 >>I am happily retired from the Area 51 field and am currently
 >>enjoying a blissfully UFO-free lifestyle, but one issue won't
 >>leave me alone: People keep asking me about Bob Lazar. True or
 >>False: Did he work with flying saucers at "Area S-4"?

 >I don't entirely agree.

 >In 1999, I think it was, I posted information on Frank Carlson
 >and hard information our team of British researchers had on him,
 >on Papoose Lake and the man-made UFOs developed and tested

 >Nevertheless, and despite the fact that I have given several
 >detailed lectures on the Carlson story, not to mention talking
 >to several well-placed documentary makers, people still prefer
 >aliens, BS, hype and lies.

 >All it would need would be for a few dedicated, sensible and
 >level-headed types to get to the bottom of this story but nobody
 >has ever offered. This MJ-12 fantasy and all the myths
 >surrounding "back-engineered" technology have killed off
 >people's interest in the truth.

Whoa, I think you just stepped on Stan's toes here with your ref
to "MJ-12 fantasy". However, you also have a lot of company in
that opinion and I won't debate the pros and cons here. I happen
to think that there may be something to some of the documents,
especially since some references have now been found in other
documents acquired through FOIA, but that is Stan's area of

 >When you can explain something, no matter how interesting my
 >friends and I may find it, most people don't want to know,
 >because it destroys too many illusions and puts too many people
 >out of business.

 >No matter; one day the truth will be told and Jack Pickett,
 >Thomas Smith and others, who have good information of America's
 >secret saucers, will be seen as the truthtellers they are, and

 >I'm surprised you never came across more hard evidence for
 >Papoose Lake, but perhaps that's not what you were looking for.
 >I actually think British researchers have a better idea about
 >this than the Americans.

You are right in some respect. There is activity out at Papoose
Lake whether back-engineered or American-developed craft (as you
believe) as sightings continue over the Tikaboo Valley and the
latest happened in May where witnessed observed, through
binoculars, a large triangular aircraft that flew silently from
the Papoose Lake site and along the Jumbled Hills with slow and
silent movement. It was also reported that this triangular
object could turn on its edge and was surrounded by 'firefly-
like' glows.

Back in 1989 Lazar had taken witnesses to see a glowing disk on
a Wednesday night test. On the second trip, they videotaped its
motion and one witness said that it was glowing orange.

Many classic UFO sightings have taken place around, over, and
near the Area 51 site which has restricted air space. I must
have talked to over a hundred witnesses since 1988 - some of
which were impressive. I had my own remarkable sighting there in
March 1993.

Experimental aircraft? If so, they are not jets and some are
tremendously large. Flares? UAVS? All such explanations fail to
match witness testimony. Perhaps advanced aircraft such as the
F-117 Knighthawks or F-22 Raptors. No way. I have seen those
flying out of Edwards AFB every week. Even the Global Hawk.
Aircraft and aviation is a hobby with me and no aircraft flying
over the Antelope Valley which is the hub of aerospace
development matches the stuff seen flying around Area 51 or S4.

-Bill Hamilton

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