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Re: Mantell - Clark

From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:55:16 -0500
Fwd Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Mantell - Clark

 >From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
 >Subject: Re: Mantell - Clark

 >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
 >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:54:24 -0500
 >>Subject: Re: Mantell

 >>>From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT)
 >>>Subject: Re: Mantell

 >>>>From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
 >>>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:41:55 +0000
 >>>>Subject: Re: Mantell
 >>>I am still not convinced that Mantell was 'closing' on a

 >>You should be. There is no reason to believe the object was
 >>anything else. When I studied the case in order to reconstruct
 >>it for my encyclopedia, I was surprised at how weak the case is
 >>and how much was made of it. Frankly, it's disheartening at this
 >>late date to see efforts to resurrect it, when there is no
 >>shortage of far stronger, more puzzling reports far more worthy
 >>of our attention.

 >I am sure there is, but what makes the identification of
 >Mantell's object of pursuit a skyhook balloon so strong?

For two things. One, the witness descriptions correlate so well
with a Skyhook, and two, even better, we know where the Skyhook
came from, though it took awhile (and the efforts of two
conscientious researchers, Barry Greenwood and Robert Todd) to
find out. The Skyhook was launched from Camp Ripley, Minnesota,
the morning of the day before the Mantell encounter, which
occurred on the afternoon of January 7, 1948.

 >I have
 >not yet seen the statement supported by facts indicating the
 >release of the skyhook in that vicinity, when, where, and other
 >data. I have never seen strong evidence it was a UFO either. I
 >guess what makes the case so dramatic was his plane crash.

True, though of course that doesn't make it a UFO-engineered
crash, George Adamski and Orfeo Angelucci's testimony
notwithstanding. Mantell was not wearing a gas mask and went
too high -- something like 25,000 feet -- before apparently
blacking out and losing control of his F-51.

 >>One problem is that some apparently genuine UFO sightings
 >>occurred that same evening, to the West in Ohio, and these often
 >>get conflated, unjustifiably, into the Mantell saga. Please
 >>check out my account in the encyclopedia or in the paperback
 >>abridgement, The UFO Book, if you have either in your library.

 >I will check it out. Perhaps you have the facts gathered there.
 >I was not aware of the sightings that evening in Ohio. What was
 >characteristic about these that compelled you to think they were
 >genuine UFOs (or TrUFOs as Dr. Maccabee calls them)?

Rather than repeat myself, I urge you to read my reconstruction
of the events of the day in the above-mentioned works.


Jerry Clark

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