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Re: Mantell [was: Re: Request For Investigative

From: Don Ledger <dledger@ns.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:41:37 -0300
Fwd Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:01:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Mantell [was: Re: Request For Investigative

 >From: Richard Hall <hallrichard99@hotmail.com>
 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:28:17 +0000
 >Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention

 >>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >>Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:56:39 EDT
 >>Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 >>>From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 06:46:43 -0700 (PDT)
 >>>Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention


 >>>Also, I received this report from one of my correspondents about
 >>>the Mantell case which changes my mind about this classic

 >>>"I spoke with the P-51 pilot about Mantell. This is what he

 >>First off, was the P-51 pilot actually in formation with Mantell?
 >>Was he actually at Godman field?

 >>Or is all of this information based upon something that "a" P-51
 >>pilot is commenting on based upon accounts he has seen in the
 >>news or otherwise?
 >>A little clarity would help.
 >>As I recall, Wendy Connors was able to locate some additional
 >>witness reports that were not included in the so called official
 >>Bluebook file on the case. And, as I recall from reading the
 >>reports, they were very interesting for what they did tell.
 >What you may be referring to here are interrogation reports of
 >Air Force witnesses to the Godman UFO that turned up at the
 >Center for UFO Studies in Allen Hynek's papers. They described a
 >glowing object in the right time frame that was zooming up and
 >down from near the horizon to high overhead. It's been a while
 >so I no longer recall further details. They certainly cast doubt
 >on the Skyhook balloon explanation, as does the fact (last I
 >knew) that no one was ever able to place a Skyhook there at that
 >time on that date. (Shades of the Roswell Mogul balloon!)I know
 >a lot of very good investigators write this case off, but after
 >reading those additional reports I'm not so sure.

Hi Dick,

The Mantell case was one that I had cleared off my radar screen
as solved early on - however, I find myself becoming less
convinced as time goes by.
Too many loose ends.
The Skyhook balloon fits nicely into the puzzle both for the
Godman tower witnesses describing it as parachute-shaped and
shaped like an icecream [Skyhook profile at lower to medium
altitudes] while at upper altitudes [60,000 feet plus] it would
expand into a flattened spherical object that Mantell could have
seen-including it's scientific military package.
The thing is, what caused the balloon to rise from the medium to
upper altitude to affect this profile change in the first place
over such a short period of time? Where's the extra bouyancy
[lift] coming from [not thermals]? Where did the balloon come
If the AF wanted to solve this one using a balloon as the
culprit, where are the records?
Let's not forget, as well, that witnesses had described this
thing from the ground as being huge-200 feet across, which a
Skyhook would not have been at low levels.
For them to perceive it at all it would have looked like a
baseball bat [heavy end up] down low.
Above all, what made Mantell take leave of his senses and push
above 12-15,000 feet without oxygen aboard? There was no mystery
then about anoxia. It was a well known hazard to pilots at
altitude even at the first of WWII.
Regardless of whether this was a balloon or a UFO, the result
was still the same for Mantell. Oxygen starvation.
There's a few more answers required to put this one to bed.
Perhaps we are dealing with two or three different objects here
which could explain the confusion?


Don Ledger

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