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Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial

From: John <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 11:57:37 -0400
Fwd Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 14:39:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial

 >From: Josh Goldstein <clearlight@t-online.de>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:44:28 +0200
 >Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & RemedialIntervention

 >>From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
 >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention
 >>Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:27:51 -0400

 >>>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:11:09 -0400
 >>>Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention


 >First... Dick Hall has posted _several_ excellent proposals for
 >>>a UFOlogical 'oversight' board or panel that have all been
 >>>uniformly ignored. A good place to start might be to go back in
 >>>the UpDates archives, dig up Dick Halls' proposals, and maybe
 >>>try to 'fine tune' and hopefully implement one of them. No need
 >>>to reinvent the wheel. Dick Halls' proposals are a great head
 >>>start on an already difficult task.

 >>However, it was Richard's hard line approach to Ufology that
 >>caused him to sever his involvement in the MUFON Journal. Much
 >>of this field is driven by the profit motive or faith, and not
 >>the pursuit of scientific integrity (which we probably couldn't
 >>agree on anyway).


 >>In the past, we've outlined goals that might help to lend
 >>credibility to the field, but IMO there's little chance that you
 >>could get two or three of us to agree on anything major. A
 >>clear definition of the field, rules of evidence, and peer
 >>review would help. But, they're unlikely at this point.

Hola Josh,

You wrote:

 >Steve, John, Bruce, and all Listerions from Mysterium,

 >John, I've been meaning to post today regarding my appreciation
 >of your post, above, with your support of Dick Hall's
 >recommendations. For quite some time he and I have communicated
 >off-List regarding these needed remedies. I also am in strong
 >agreement with him.

It never ceases to amaze me how Dick Hall's proposals and
recommendations are almost uniformly ignored by researchers on
this List. It also never ceases to amaze me how some people
who have not made a single tangible contribution to the study of
UFOs presume that it is ok to insult and criticize him here as
if they were one of his peers. (As they hide and spew their bile
safely from behind their monitors and keyboards.)

Dick has put forward some of the more practical and realistic
proposals for the formation of a 'review board' that have
appeared in print anywhere. Instead of acting on them, they are
left dangling in mid-air by the rest of the research community -
until some other researcher comes along and presents a watered
down version of Dick's proposals and they do it as if the idea
was original with them.

Amazing! :)

 >In our last post we agreed with our
 >unfortunate cynicism that, knowing the history of the field over
 >the last few decades, it seems highly unlikely that the
 >"scientific but with an open mind - just show me the evidence
 >other than anecdotal or hoaxed documents - to support your claim
 >- otherwise you are part of the problem and not part of the
 >solution attitude" - will form an organization of strength with
 >respectable standards that earn it enduring credibility - and
 >able to somehow reduce the amount of ludicrous hucksterism noise
 >from heavy metal to a mere whisper.

Because the ones who make all the 'noise' to begin with are by
definition the loudest voices, anyone who works toward creating
a sound and sober environment in ufology will become vilified
and painted as 'evil incarnate' by these _wannabes._

Speaking out for sanity and a sound approach to the problem
threatens these self-made 'tin Gods'. They will launch concerted
smear campaigns and all kinds of personal character
assassination attempts in order to advance their own self-
serving and mostly egotistical agendas. Honest, hard working
people will be tossed into the fire so that the 'illusory' but
much sought after recognition and fame will finally be in their
grasp. Truth and practical research methods be damned if it
interfere's with their personal agenda.

Take my word for it... I have been _used_ by both the "big
names" in ufology as well as the bottom feeders solely for the
purpose of their own self-promotion and self-aggrandizement.

It is why (today) I operate as a 'lone-wolf.' I have
disassociated myself (as I discovered them) from the 'users' and
from the bottom feeders. Being on my own has granted me the
freedom to speak my mind openly. Which is precisely what I
always do.

Damn the torpedoes.


John Velez
Standing on honestly earned solid ground

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