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Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:51:29 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:20:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial


 >>From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:57:58 -0400
 >>Subject: Re: Request For Investigative & Remedial Intervention

<snip>

 >>They _all_ agree that what they saw was a "metallic disc". I'll
 >>take their word over Kevin's or the Air Force's about what was
 >>in the sky that day and subsequently 'chased' by Mantell. I wish
 >>I could recall the name of the program that featured the Mantell
 >>family. It aired just a few years ago. Maybe a Listerion can
 >>help out with this one. It was one of those 'first person(s)'
 >>interviews that anyone interested in the case should listen to.


John, List, All -

Belief has very little to do with it. The skyhook balloons, made
of polyethylene were about 100 feet in diameter and in a sun
bright sky would look metallic. Since there was nothing in the
background to provide for an estimate of size, nor was there any
way for them to judge the height, they assumed something smaller
and closer to the ground. The descriptions of the object, taken
shortly after the event, however, suggest that they were looking
at a balloon. One of the drawings, made by a witness shortly
after the event, sure looks like a skyhook balloon. Yes, the
records suggest that a balloon could have been over the Godman
Army Air Field at the time, but they don't prove it.

It is also clear, from the records, that Mantell climbed above
12,000 feet without oxygen, and kept right on climbing,
reporting that he was getting closer (which, of course, he was)
but the object was still fifty or sixty thousand feet above him
when he lost consciousness and his F-51 rolled over into a power
dive. There were no indications in the wreckage that he ever
regained consciousness and tried to either end the dive or get
out of the airplane.

This clearly was a tragic accident and the explanation is, a
skyhook balloon. The Air Force used Venus, then Venus and a
balloon, and finally Venus and two balloons because they were
unaware of the skyhook project.

Jerry Clark in his massive "The UFO Encyclopedia" Second
Edition, (just a quick plug for the book, Jerry) wrote, on page
606, "Though the Skyhook identification is surely correct...) he
then explains that Ruppelt was wrong thinking it was launched
from Clinton County airport, but came from Camp Ripley.

This, I believe illustrates one of the points I have been trying
to make about peer review. Here is a case that is solved and yet
we are discussing it again. Yes, we must be aware of our
history, but if solid peer review existed, then we could move
beyond this sort of debate, point to what the peer review had
concluded, and use that as a basis for our arguments.

I'll say once again, the Mantell case has been solved. Thomas
Mantell, a good, competent, and heroic pilot (again I point to
his DFC from the Normandy Invasion) saw something he couldn't
identify and lost his life trying to get close enough for a good
look at it. We now know that it was a skyhook balloon.


KRandle




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