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Re: UFO Frauds - Randle

From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:52:58 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:56:57 -0400
Subject: Re: UFO Frauds - Randle


 >Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:22:08 -0500
 >From: Steve Owens <spidey@keepandbeararms.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: UFO Frauds

 >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:15:49 EDT
 >>Subject: Re: UFO Frauds

 >>>From: Bill Hamilton <skywatcher22@space.com>
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net
 >>>Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 07:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
 >>>Subject: Re: UFO Frauds - GT McCoy

<snip>

 >I'm not going to say the man is or isn't telling the truth, but
 >it strikes me that different people keep records in different
 >ways.

Then I will join Stan and Don Ecker and say it. The man isn't
telling the truth.

 >So, now you know of at least two more people that can't get at
 >their DD214 without a bit of bother.  <g>

 >I think expecting the person to have instant or easy access to a
 >DD214 is, by itself, not evidence of anything except that the
 >person doesn't use military benefits often.

I am suggesting that those who are not who they say they are
often have trouble producing records to verify their claims. I
am saying that this tempest in a teapot over the DD 214 is just
another example. You said you knew where yours was and that you
could get to it, not that it would take you years to produce it.

BTW, for those of you interested in geneological research, one
of the ways to trace ancesters is to contact the county
courthouses where they lived and ask for copies of the DD 214
(or its predecessor). So, with almost no trouble, he might have
been able to do that.

I'm saying that we always provide excuses for those who don't
have the evidence we need to corroborate. When I challenged
Gerald Anderson about being a SEAL and reported that the members
of the SEAL museum in Miami knew nothing about him, this was
reduced to some guys at some museum. Well, it wasn't quite that
simple and the real point was that men who were SEALS and should
have known about Anderson didn't. Now with the SEAL web site
active anyone can check on it and learn that Anderson didn't
tell the truth about that either.

In all this nonsense about the DD 214 everyone seems bent on
ignoring the information that Stan supplied that went far beyond
the lack of a single document. It suggested that
Noel/Kirkwood/whoever, hadn't done any of the things that he
claims to have done. Why should we defend this guy whose story
is interesting but is not corroborated?

I tried to make it clear and I tried to be reasonable about
this. But I, like many others, am getting tired of the same
arguments over and over. There is no evidence that Kirkwood/Noel
is who he claims to be. He has not established it and the fact
that he originally claimed his DD 214 was buried in boxes struck
me as odd. I even have the one from when I was an enlisted man
so many years ago.

So, here is where we are. I don't believe this story and have
seen nothing to suggest that it is true. The DD 214 is
unimportant in the long run because there are so many other
holes in the tale. And let's not forget that in a world filled
with copy machines, white-out, scanners and computers, it is
very simple to create an authentic looking document but
something else again to have that document verified by an
official source, something that has not been done with
Kirkwood's DD 214.


KRandle




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