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Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up' - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 16:19:43 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:38:03 -0400
Subject: Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up' - Velez

 >From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 07:48:06 +0000
 >Subject: Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up'

 >>From: Dave Bowden <grafikfx@lineone.net>
 >>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:03:05 +0100
 >>Subject: Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up' - Bowden

 >>>From: Eleanor White <raven1@mail.nas.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>>Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:56:22 +0000
 >>>Subject: Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up'

 >>>>From: Dave Bowden <grafikfx@lineone.net>
 >>>>To: <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>>>Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 03:49:18 +0100
 >>>>Subject: Re: SDI 190 - 'Media Not Covering-Up'


 >>>Until regular, no-debunker-follow-on stories are provided to the
 >>>public over time, then the media can't claim to have tried this
 >>>and found it not to work.

 >>Three points I'd like to make here if I may.
 >>1. You mentioned 'debunker' a few times in your posts. I hope
 >>you are not implying I am a 'debunker' simply because I don't
 >>happen to agree with your chosen methods.

 >No, I don't know about your views and UFO-related work at all.

 >Debunkers are the guys who say interstellar travel is impossible
 >because nobody can travel faster than light, ignoring the fact
 >that humankind does not know everything there is to know about
 >physics. And do so at the _end_ of every UFO documentary or
 >news item, which seems to be the only format the media is
 >willing to use.

 >>2. I've noticed in other posts you favour pickets, I take it you
 >>mean demonstrations with supporters carrying banners and
 >>placards. After all how else would 'they' know what you are
 >>demonstrating about? Since you thought my 'Dear Government'
 >>comment was silly I'd be interested to know the sort of thing
 >>you may plan to write on your banners and placards.


 >Since weatherproof vinyl signs would be required, I'd also
 >graphically place that text on top of a greyed background image
 >of the cover of an IRS form 1040 and have it professionally
 >printed by a sign shop. The 1040 would be just slightly tilted
 >off vertical to emphasize it without swamping the large red,
 >bold faced lettering.

 >>3. I do understand what you're trying to do, rally the troops,
 >>battle cry, all that sort of thing.

 >It's the only way I can think of to get past both the government
 >and media denial and ridicule, with at least some hope of
 >motivating interested members of the public to demand answers.
 >Waiting for more elegant methods hasn't worked for half a

 >>John Velez made a simple request to get folk to sign a petition:


 >>It's been an uphill struggle to get a reasonable response.

 >A continuously manned picket site is also an uphill struggle,
 >and it's tragic that Greer supporters didn't do that around the
 >time of the May 10, 2001 press conference. But if you want a
 >result, you have to put in the necessary work to bring it about.

 >I haven't heard of any extended picketing for release of UFO
 >information, so it probably hasn't been tried. Personally, I'd
 >guess it might take a year of picketing in a well chosen spot to
 >budge even those members of government who are in favour of
 >releasing the files. Including bad weather days.

 >I'm saying here that the importance of the issue deserves
 >extreme effort, in light of what 50+ years of waiting has not

Hi Eleanor,

The day those kids were killed by the National Guard at Kent
State University 'picketing' as a viable means of accomplishing
anything gradually went the way of the Dodo. There is a clear
demarkation point between the size and kind of demonstrations
and picketing that was done prior to, and then after, the
incident at Kent State. Whether by design or not, Kent State was
an accident waiting to happen. At that point in time all you had
to do was mix certain elements and you could predict with some
degree of accuracy what the outcome of the alchemy would be.

Whether by accident or design, the incident at Kent State sent a
clear and unmistakable message to the people. Absolute power
corrupts absolutely. The day National guardsmen gunned down
those college kids while peacefully demonstrating on their own
campus, a lot of steam was taken out of the growing activist
movement in this country.

As many folks old enough to remember will tell you, things got
pretty ugly in this country for many years. People were so
pissed and frustrated they started burning cities down. (Watts,
Newark, Chicago etc.) The 'Law & Order' Right Wing backlash
caused righteous fear to replace the fervor of commitment in the
hearts of many. Can't say as I blame em all either.

How many 'causes' are you willing to die for?

Best of luck.


John Velez, Life-long 'activist'

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