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Re: Illegitimacy of CSICOP - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:09:21 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 02:40:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Illegitimacy of CSICOP - Lehmberg

 >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
 >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:20:22 EDT
 >Subject: Re: Illegitimacy of CSICOP
 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 >>From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net>
 >>To: UFO Updates <UFOUpdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:36:18 -0600
 >>Subject: Illegitimacy of CSICOP

 >>The Illegitimacy of CSICOP:



 >Is there some curious reason that you do not provide any
 >citation for these quotes, including the date that they were

Translated <and don't insult yourself by saying I'm putting
words in your mouth>: "Could you send the citations for these
quotes, please." She's done it for me.

One can learn to appreciate an honesty in the translation where
your mocking request just drips with accusation, insult, and
innuendo. "Curious reasons" (?) only in implication, Mr. Young.
Yours. Empty asccusation, I add. Just asking for the citations
would have given you _real_ ammunition if she didn't have them
and avoidence of this embarrassment if she had. The way you did
it just paints you as a corner shooter and a CSICOP stooge.
 >>From the Collective Mind of the CSICOP Cult:

 >>"Our group is not what you would call a front line organization.
 >>We don't receive reports directly from the general public. We do
 >>not attempt to get a specific number of cases. Because we
 >>concentrate only on those cases that the other organizations
 >>have put out to be unexplainable."

 >>In other words CSICOP doesn't do first hand investigations. They
 >>only deal in personal opinion. CSICOP proclaims to be a
 >>scientific organization, but doesn't engage in actual science.
 >>CSICOP defaults on its own legitimacy.

 >Shaeffer (if these are indeed his words)

...she has yet to demonstrate any real (not imagined or implied)
behavior to the contrary, Mr. Young, where your behavior speaks
volumes. What artless insult. Were I her you can be assured you
would hear from me. I'd parse you down real fine and see where
you began and ended. Not a pretty process. Each of us would find
out useful things about the other as we made our literary way.
Also not a pretty process. Predictably, you're a little too
quick to impugn.

 >said no such thing as
 >you imply.

Oh wild blueberry blather-wa. He's said that and more in the
exponential. Anyone with a scrape of objectivity knows what
CSICOP is all about... denial, knee-jerk debunkery, and artless

 >He clearly means that his group does not make the
 >initial investigations of these claims, but concentrates on
 >those which have been proposed as unexplained.

 >You have deliberately changed, "front line", into "first hand",
 >something which has an entirely different meaning.

I'm going to forgive her that error, in that it is not to the
detriment of her point, which is these gentlemen you defend so
stealthily are hobbled by a HUGE, irrational, and cowardly bias
that you, incidentally, are seemingly oblivious to.

 >After you changed Schaeffer's words into your own, you then
 >announced that these words mean that CSICOP, "only deal[s] in
 >personal opinion", and, "doesn't engage in actual science."

Credible sources (always prepared to debate I might add) say
that they (CSICOP) are the antithesis of science, are not
scientific, and even impugn science, as you seemingly do.

 >I am curious as to what was going through your mind when you
 >did this?

I think I know! It was a poignantly accurate realization that
the covetous band of evil doers* she references has done more to
keep us in the paranormal dark ages than any huckster, holist,
or hoaxer they'd pretend to dismiss.

...Well, I'm going to go pop some corn and wait for Ms. C. to
post her reply (if she doen't just blow you off completely).
  Can you say "smoking hole in the gut of your two-color CSICOP


*yeah... evil. Evil as any other clear hurdle to aggregate
advancement. Clearly only a pretender of true science, what else
could it be?
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