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Re: Illegitimacy of CSICOP - Young

From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:20:22 EDT
Fwd Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:01:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Illegitimacy of CSICOP - Young

 >From: Wendy Connors <FadedDiscs@comcast.net>
 >To: UFO Updates <UFOUpdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 07:36:18 -0600
 >Subject: Illegitimacy of CSICOP

 >The Illegitimacy of CSICOP:

 >One of the most bogus scientific organizations in existence is
 >the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the
 >Paranormal. Known by its acronym, CSICOP. It is not a scientific
 >organization, nor does it engage in accepted scientific
 >methodologies in its findings or claims.


 >CSICOP, as a fanatical cult with a hidden agenda to prevent
 >acquisition of new knowledge by investigation, is provable.
 >Robert Shaeffer, a CSICOP Committee Member demonstrates though
 >his own words, that CSICOP is not a scientific organization.


 >This is Part One of the proof of CSICOPs bogus claims to be a
 >legitimate and scientific organization. It is presented through
 >Robert Shaeffer's own words, which are in direct quotes and my
 >comments, which follow each quoted passage:


Is there some curious reason that you do not provide any
citation for these quotes, including the date that they were

 > From the Collective Mind of the CSICOP Cult:

 >"Our group is not what you would call a front line organization.
 >We don't receive reports directly from the general public. We do
 >not attempt to get a specific number of cases. Because we
 >concentrate only on those cases that the other organizations
 >have put out to be unexplainable."

 >In other words CSICOP doesn't do first hand investigations. They
 >only deal in personal opinion. CSICOP proclaims to be a
 >scientific organization, but doesn't engage in actual science.
 >CSICOP defaults on its own legitimacy.

Shaeffer (if these are indeed his words) said no such thing as
you imply. He clearly means that his group does not make the
initial investigations of these claims, but concentrates on
those which have been proposed as unexplained.

You have deliberately changed, "front line", into "first hand",
something which has an entirely different meaning.

After you changed Schaeffer's words into your own, you then
announced that these words mean that CSICOP, "only deal[s] in
personal opinion", and, "doesn't engage in actual science."

I am curious as to what was going through your mind when you did

Bob Young

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