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Re: New Year Agenda - Rudiak

From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:27:58 EST
Fwd Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 13:39:41 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Rudiak

 >Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 17:13:05 -0600
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>

 >>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
 >>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:11:51 EST
 >>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 >>>From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >>>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>>Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:58:16 -0400


 >>>Shades of McCoy's Secret (not Top Secret code word) briefing to
 >>>a USAF Scientific Advisory Panel.


 >>I think even more important than the Secret classification of
 >>this meeting of the AFSAP, was the fact that Project Sign, which
 >>McCoy headed, was classified at a very lowly Restricted level.



 >Why don't you tell the List to whom McCoy's Secret statement was
 >addressed? Aren't they just the sort of people you would expect
 >to be invited into MJ-1,2 rather than excluded from it?


As usual, your reasoning is impeccably backwards. Even if we
assume the AFSAP was full of "MJ1,2" types ("MJ1,2" no doubt
representing the early days of "MJ12"), how could somebody
(McCoy) from a program of low classification (Sign) tell them
Top Secret material if he didn't have access to it?

Furthermore, even if you assume he did have such access, McCoy
would have to take into consideration the level of
classification of the meeting and _everybody_ inside it. Would
they _all_ have the proper clearance and access? If even one
didn't, he couldn't say anything.

This exchange, however, has prompted an e-mail from Wendy
Connors, who imforms me that Col. McCoy wasn't even in charge of
Project Sign, as I assumed. Alfred Loedding, who organized the
Project with Dr. Carroll, ran it on a daily basis and Albert
Deyarmond was his supervisor. A Lt. Smith did the administration
portion of the project.

She also disagrees somewhat with my assessment of what the
members of Sign would have known. Although Sign was classified
at a lowly Restricted level, they could receive documents at a
higher level from other participating agencies. (Such higher
classified documents and their contents, I presume, would have
remained internal, not for outside dissemination, because of
their higher classification.)

As to what Sign and McCoy knew about Roswell, Wendy writes:

"As to whether McCoy would know if a crashed disc was located,
he might not have known. There are two pieces of documentation I
have that would support this, but of course, not perfectly
provable. First is Lt. Col. Andrew J. Hemstreet, who declared in
an interview, that Loedding was sent to Roswell to check on the
flying disc incident and that they (all the SIGN guys) had heard
of the recovery, but that 'only Loedding would have known the
full details.'

"Secondly is the testimony of Major Victor Bilek, who stated
that Lt. Col. Hemstreet was basically correct except for who
went to Roswell. He stated that it was George Towles who went
and that Col. McCoy was furious that Towles wouldn't report to
him what he had investigated. Hemstreet was 94 years old when
interviewed, so even though he had the name incorrect, his
memory of someone from SIGN going to Roswell was correct, as
Bilek confirmed it.

"Before dismissing this piece of the puzzle as insufficient, I
must point out that Towles' actual job at Wright Field was
accepting all shipments to the base, assigning tracking numbers
and ensuring that the materials made it to the appropriate
sections. In other words, Towles was the man who would know if
debris from a crashed disc was shipped to Wright Field from

"Also, according to Major Bilek, Towles told him and others that
he accepted something relating to the incident, but refused to
say anything further."

What this would suggest is that McCoy may have heard the rumors,
but wasn't fully in-the-know. At best, all McCoy could tell the
AFSAP was that he had heard rumors of physical evidence b

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