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Re: New Year Agenda - Friedman

From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:58:16 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 09:37:07 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Friedman

 >Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:04:38 -0500
 >From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>

 >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 10:40:46 EST
 >>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 >>>Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 16:37:20 -0600
 >>>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>


 >>>[Kimball] My response: I am at a loss to understand how you can
 >>>state that I had no clearance to the flight line or hangars. The
 >>>fact is, I had a Top Secret clearance and was very often on the
 >>>flight line and in many of the hangars for a variety of reasons,
 >>>including participation in training programs, familiarization
 >>>programs, and taking actual flights in different aircraft,
 >>>including training missions. Also, staff meetings were held by
 >>>Major Comstock for the express purposes of sharing information
 >>>about what was going on not only at the hospital but on the base
 >>>in general and to discuss any unusual problems. I did not
 >>>perform my duties, and there were many, in a vacuum.

 >>Dennis, List, all -

 >>Let me make a few observations here. First, a top secret
 >>clearance does not mean automatic clearance to see all top
 >>secret material. There is such a thing as need to know which
 >>disqualifies many who hold top secret clearances from getting
 >>into material that they have no need to know .

 >My favorite story about 'need to know' goes like this. I heard
 >this on TV/radio _many_ years ago so I may have some details
 >wrong, but here goes.

 >In the early 80's under Reagan, Bill Casey was DCI (Director of
 >Central Intelligence). His 2nd in command was one Robert "
 >Bobby" Gates. You will recall all the Iran/Contra nasty stuff
 >that was going on in those days (supporting a revolution in
 >Nicaragua in spite of Congressional direction to NOT fund any
 >such thing, as I recall).

 >Anyway, Casey died. In the latter half of the '80's Bobby was up
 >in front of Congress to be approved as DCI. Nasty congressman
 >were throwing the Iran Contra affair at Gates, claiming that he
 >was involved and hence had no moral authority to be DCI---- of
 >something like that. Gates was denying involvement, saying he
 >knew nothing of the particular affair that some Congressmen were
 >trying to pin around his neck. The Congressmen couldn't believe
 >that Gates was innocent... after all he was #2 at the agency.
 >_Surely_he_would_have_known_everything_about_IRAN_CONTRA_! (It's
 >only _logical_ you know!) (Can't you just see some Congressman
 >pounding hius shoe on the desk as he emphasizes this point?) Now
 >we come to the reason for this story:

 >An old curmudgeon of the CIA, a guy who went back into the 50's
 >as I recall (but I don't recall his name... although I would
 >recognize it, It think), was called to testify to Congress on
 >behalf of Gates. Mr. Curmudgeon testified as follows based on
 >what Casey had told him in the early 80's (paraphrase):

 >"It is true that Gates knew nothing of it. Casey told me 'I
 >don't tell Gates everything."

 >End Of Story

Let me add another example of compartmentalization at very high

Historian Stephen E. Ambrose in his fascinating 1981 book 'Ike's
Spies: Eisenhower and the Espionage Establishment' on pages 240
and 241 talks of the 5412 committee chaired by MJ-12 member
Gordon Gray and including the Secretaries of State and Defense
and the DCI. No covert action could be taken without their
approval. These actions would not go before the full National
Security Council because "it was a whole big roomful of people".

Shades of McCoy's Secret (not Top Secret code word) briefing to
a USAF Scientific Advisory Panel.

Stan Friedman

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