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Re: New Year Agenda - Stacy

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:18:31 -0600
Fwd Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:05:50 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Stacy

 >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 00:18:05 EST
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net


 >Hate to mention this, but if you truly understood how government
 >and classified material is handled you would have realized that
 >this is not correct.

 >For example most people would _assume_ that because the Vice
 >President of the United States is number 2 man so to speak and
 >he should/would know everything just because of his position.
 >The fact is that the Vice Presidents only know what they have a
 >need-to-know. Harry Truman as VP of the US had no knowledge of
 >the Manhatten project, yet many people might 'assume' that he
 >should have/would have known or have knowledge just because of
 >his position. In one of the books on the Stealth project either
 >Clarence Kelly or Ben Rich, they mentioned that the chain of
 >command for this highly classified compartmentalized project was
 >from the Skunk works, to a one Star AF general, to Secretary of
 >Defense, directly to the President. Supposedly cut out of the
 >chain on this was the Vice President, Joint Chiefs and a host of
 >other military people that people would _assume_ would have


Every situation is different. James Nance Garner, Truman's
predecessor, famously referred to the Vice-Presidency as not
being "worth a bucket of warm spit." Which it pretty much wasn't
in 1947.

Do you seriously think Dick Cheney is in a similar position
today? Out of the loop, as it were?

 >The other great myths are just because a person has a 'Top
 >Secret' security clearance, or is cleared for higher access, in
 >fact means they are entitled to read and know everything about
 >the project they are working on. This is totally bogus. Even
 >with a clearance, you are only allowed to access document that
 >it is determined that you have a need-to-know.

No one said anything about Kimball reading documents. Do you
think that if Roswell had been on high alert and that alien
bodies were brought on base to be autopsied that only one or two
medical personnel would have been called out to handle the

Your examples are abstract ones that have nothing to do with a
fluid situation on the ground, unless you want to come up with
some reason as to why Kimball wouldn't have been included in any
significant call up of personnel. Any guesses?

Remember, we're not talking about him having access to documents
after the fact. We're talking about why he wasn't involved at
the time if such a dire situation was indeed truly unfolding.

 >It is likely that many people at the Roswell air base
(including >highly decorated, higher ranking people, had
absolutly no >knowledge about what happened because they did not
have a >need-to-know and were not told.

 >Bottom line is just because a miltary person doesn't know,
 >doesn't mean it didn't happen. Likewise if a military person is
 >'quiet' about something it may mean he had no knowledge or it
 >may mean he knew all about it and felt duty bound by his
 >security clearances.

I have never said or suggested that because Kimball didn't have
any knowledge of alien autopsies that bodies were ipso facto
never recovered at Roswell. What I have maintained all along is
that his testimony needs to be considered in the context of
claims to the contrary. I hate to keep repeating myself, but
what is so difficult to understand here?

 >Also keep in mind that a so called lower ranking person and or
 >lessor person on the chain of command totem pole may in fact
 >know much more because they were cleared, where as higher
 >ranking officers or leaders were not cleared. Just because a
 >person is or was not cleared for a particular subject doesn't
 >make the person bad or evil, he or she just didn't have a
 >need-to-know and was not cleared.

Understood and kept in mind. But again, we're not talking about
a hypothetical, post facto situation here regarding the reading
of classified documents after the fact. We're talking about
breaking events. When Truman was swept up by the latter, he was
properly and promptly notified of the existence of the atomic

If Roswell had gone on high alert and several alien bodies had
been brought to the base hospital, don't you think there's at
least a possibility -- if not a downright likelihood -- that
Kimball would have been made aware of same, indeed, alerted to

And if not, why not? That's pretty much all you need concern
yourself with in this specific context.

Vice-president Truman ain't got nothing to do with it.

And as Jerry Clark would say, it's Manhattan Project, not



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