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Re: New Year Agenda - Velez

From: John Velez <johnvelez.aic@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 17:01:51 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:28:01 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Velez

 >From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:54:14 -0600

 >>Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:14:48 -0600
 >>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>

 >>>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:15:49 EST
 >>>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net


 >>>The problem is, if the event took place and it was truly
 >>>classified, then those who were not involved would not be
 >>>expected to know anything about it. You simply do not discuss
 >>>classified material with those who are not cleared to hear it.
 >>>Yes, you can talk all you want about senators and politicians
 >>>compromising classified material, but we're talking about a
 >>>special unit that dealt with highly classified material all the
 >>>time. If a specific pilot was not involved and now claims the
 >>>event didn't happen because, if it had, he would have heard
 >>>about it, that just doesn't wash. No, there is no reason to
 >>>believe that he would have heard about regardless of who he was,
 >>>who his friends were, or what security clearances he might have

 >>>I speak from experience here. I watched people get into trouble
 >>>for "talking out of school" and we weren't dealing with any
 >>>earth- shattering secrets. This refrain, that had it happened, I
 >>>would have known, is false and anyone who had dealt with
 >>>classified material and security clearances knows that.

 >...Carrying coal to Newcastle, I know, but as a career officer
 >(retired) I can concur with Dr. Randle.


 >>Hasn't this situation ever struck you as, uh, well, a bit, shall
 >>we say...incongruous?

 >>I mean, here's the most classified secret in the history of the
 >>world, the greatest moment in human life -- and only a handful
 >>of dedicated men sworn to secrecy know the truth. How then, pray
 >>tell, did the public at large ever learn of it?


Anyone ever hear of the 'newspapers?' As far back as Kenneth
Arnold the 'UFO' phenom has been covered in the press by local
papers and local media. How many times over the years have
people right here on this List quoted from headlines that go as
far back as 50 + years. The 'tradition' is being carried on
today electronically by guys like our own EBK, George Filer, and
Mark Davenport, et al.

_That's_ how the 'people' found out. It had nothing to do with
gubbamint leaks. UFOs have _never_ been a 'secret'. What has
been sorely missing all this time is official confirmation. That
confirmation is the 'Big Secret' that has been successfully kept
for better than half-a-century. And it wasn't always so.

There are documents that show that in the late forties the Army
Air Force did take UFOs seriously. Studied them. Visit the
Project 1947 website, the Black Vault, Bruce Maccabbee's site,
there are UFO-related FOIA released government documents galore
at those sites. I honestly don't know why anyone needs any more
than that to have a tangible connection between the U.S.
government and the study/coveting of UFOs and information that
relates to them.

Sherlock Holmes stated that best place to hide something is
out in the open, in full view. All the gubbamint UFO policy
makers have ever had to do is; to substitute _public_ridicule_
and _private_ coercion_ for _official/public confirmation_.

The rest is history. Our history!

 >I believe it likely that even that small handful (given the
 >probable large number of that handful), if they were a remotely
 >smart handful at all, would plainly realize "the most classified
 >secret in the history of the world, the greatest moment in human
 >life..." flatly _couldn't_ be kept. The trick would be to
 >release it in such a way that the aggregate communication is
 >corrupted, or otherwise discredited. In this way they can
 >confuse and obfuscate the issue, maintain their unctuously
 >plausible deniability, and hide in plain sight.

Amen, and Mr. Lehmberg, Mr. Holmes and I, rest our case in plain
view and in 'official' black ink on paper.  :) We owe a
tremendous debt of gratitude to guys like Stan Freidman and all
the others who have obtained all this documentation at their own
expense, through their own efforts, and dedicated hard work. A
tip of the old 'Hatlo Hat' to them all.  :)


John Velez

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