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Re: New Year Agenda - Stacy

From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:40:52 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 17:22:59 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Stacy

 >From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:58:50 -0400


 >I must jump in on Kevin's side on this one. Dennis you haven't
 >done your homework as to how the witnesses were found. I was the
 >first to talk to many of them. They were not seeking me out. I
 >was referred to Marcel by a TV station mangager while we were
 >twiddling our thumbs waiting for a late reporter. He had seen
 >the newspaper article about Marcel - July 8 PM papers all over -
 >West of Chicago. When Marcel was in nearby Houma and he began
 >talking over short wave radio he asked Marcel about it. He was
 >told nothing. That was in the late 1940s. I was the first to
 >talk to Haut. I had called the Roswell DR asking for their old
 >editor - 1978..... Long gone."What do you need? Have an article
 >here about Walter Haut at the base.... his wife works here!!!."


Please help yourself, but I think you're kind of missing the
point here. I never suggested that the men of the 509th called
you first, that you and others (assuming you're willing to share
any of the Limelight, of course) didn't seek them out for their

My point, which isn't all that subtle, is this:

Time and again you have said that the 509th consisted of
hand-picked men who could keep a secret. Compartmentalization,
need to know, and all that. Yet when you reach them by
telephone, they seem to display little hesitation in being quite
talkative about their experiences.

So which is it: were they tight-lipped or not? You can't have it
both ways.

Nor can you claim that they wouldn't have talked among
themselves at reunions, only to start singing when you gave them
a ring. Why would they share secrets with someone they couldn't
have known from Adam, but not with each other? Maybe this makes
sense to you and Randle, but it doesn't to me. I'm still waiting
to be enlightened.

 >I located Dubose thru' the West Point Alumni group and called
 >him. Remember Haut, Marcel, DuBose were all named in the flood
 >of early articles. I sought the appropriate mortician from an
 >old Physician; he referred me to one, he referred me to
 >another, he referred me to Glenn and knew where he was. I got a
 >phone listing for Bill Brazel a week after his first phone was
 >installed. There was a great deal of other research... you know
 >the kind that caused my phone bill to be hundreds of dollars a

No one's trying to detract from your accomplishments. I'm asking
a very simple question: why do you think these people sang to
the first researcher that came calling? Figuratively speaking,
of course, and civilians excepted.

 >It appears you don't understand how security works or you
 >wouldn't have published Kent Jeffrey's long ode to ignorance
 >about security in the MJ. My 5 page response, requested by Walt,
 >but not published, is on my web site at:


 >for those interested in the facts. Try Crash at Corona for some
 >facts about how things got rolling.

Hmm, would you mind telling us again how security works in MJ?
Is it anything like it works in the 509th? Which, seemingly, is
not at all.

I'm tempted to say you don't know how human nature works. You
seem to think there's a system that insures security, when
nothing could be further from the truth. It's the system and the
people in it, which means there are no guarantees because no
system can absolutely prohibit Individual behavior.

Exhibit A: 'When Betrayal and Paranoia Are Part of the Job' in
today's NY Times editorial page, about Robert Hanssen's selling
of FBI secrets. According to the author, Tom Mangold, Hanssen
sold his country out not for crass cash, but for "peer

Exhibit B: Songbirds of the 509th?


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