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Re: New Year Agenda - Friedman

From: Stan Friedman <fsphys@brunnet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:58:50 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:55:06 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Friedman

 >Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:14:48 -0600
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>

 >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:15:49 EST
 >>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net


 >>The problem is, if the event took place and it was truly
 >>classified, then those who were not involved would not be
 >>expected to know anything about it. You simply do not discuss
 >>classified material with those who are not cleared to hear it.
 >>Yes, you can talk all you want about senators and politicians
 >>compromising classified material, but we're talking about a
 >>special unit that dealt with highly classified material all the
 >>time. If a specific pilot was not involved and now claims the
 >>event didn't happen because, if it had, he would have heard
 >>about it, that just doesn't wash. No, there is no reason to
 >>believe that he would have heard about regardless of who he was,
 >>who his friends were, or what security clearances he might have

 >>I speak from experience here. I watched people get into trouble
 >>for "talking out of school" and we weren't dealing with any
 >>earth- shattering secrets. This refrain, that had it happened, I
 >>would have known, is false and anyone who had dealt with
 >>classified material and security clearances knows that.




 >Hasn't this situation ever struck you as, uh, well, a bit, shall
 >we say...incongruous?

 >I mean, here's the most classified secret in the history of the
 >world, the greatest moment in human life -- and only a handful
 >of dedicated men sworn to secrecy know the truth. How then, pray
 >tell, did the public at large ever learn of it?

 >This Band of Brothers doesn't know you, Friedman, Schmitt,
 >Berliner or any other journalist or ufologist from Joe or Adam,
 >and practically all you've got to do is show up in person, pen
 >and paper or videocamera in hand, and they seem only too willing
 >to spill the beans on the world's best kept (sic) Top Secret to
 >a complete outsider.

 >I may be exaggerating a little for rhetorical effect, of course,
 >but I've always been curious as to how you've managed to
 >reconcile this apparent contradiction in your mind?

 >As for saying this tightly knit band wouldn't talk amongst
 >itself, but apparently had little compunction against talking to
 >a perfect stranger... well, we all like to have our cake and eat
 >it, too.

 >I guess we should be thankful that, when the chips were down and
 >the press came calling, they really couldn't keep a secret,
 >after all. Makes you wonder whether or not they served alcohol
 >at all those reunions, doesn't it?

 >Dennis Stacy

I must jump in on Kevin's side on this one. Dennis you haven't
done your homework as to how the witnesses were found. I was the
first to talk to many of them. They were not seeking me out. I
was referred to Marcel by a TV station mangager while we were
twiddling our thumbs waiting for a late reporter. He had seen
the newspaper article about Marcel - July 8 PM papers all over -
West of Chicago. When Marcel was in nearby Houma and he began
talking over short wave radio he asked Marcel about it. He was
told nothing. That was in the late 1940s. I was the first to
talk to Haut. I had called the Roswell DR asking for their old
editor - 1978..... Long gone."What do you need? Have an article
here about Walter Haut at the base.... his wife works here!!!."

I located Dubose thru' the West Point Alumni group and called
him. Remember Haut, Marcel, DuBose were all named in the flood
of early articles. I sought the appropriate mortician from an
old Physician; he referred me to one, he referred me to another,
he referred me to Glenn and knew where he was. I got a phone
listing for Bill Brazel a week after his first phone was
installed. There was a great deal of other research... you know
the kind that caused my phone bill to be hundreds of dollars a

It appears you don't understand how security works or you
wouldn't have published Kent Jeffrey's long ode to ignorance
about security in the MJ. My 5 page response, requested by Walt,
but not published, is on my web site at:


for those interested in the facts. Try Crash at Corona for some
facts about how things got rolling.


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