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Re: New Year Agenda - Lehmberg

From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 04:54:14 -0600
Fwd Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:24:15 -0500
Subject: Re: New Year Agenda - Lehmberg


 >Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:14:48 -0600
 >Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net>

 >>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
 >>Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:15:49 EST
 >>Subject: Re: New Year Agenda
 >>To: ufoupdates@virtuallystrange.net

 ><snip>

 >>The problem is, if the event took place and it was truly
 >>classified, then those who were not involved would not be
 >>expected to know anything about it. You simply do not discuss
 >>classified material with those who are not cleared to hear it.
 >>Yes, you can talk all you want about senators and politicians
 >>compromising classified material, but we're talking about a
 >>special unit that dealt with highly classified material all the
 >>time. If a specific pilot was not involved and now claims the
 >>event didn't happen because, if it had, he would have heard
 >>about it, that just doesn't wash. No, there is no reason to
 >>believe that he would have heard about regardless of who he was,
 >>who his friends were, or what security clearances he might have
 >>held.

 >>I speak from experience here. I watched people get into trouble
 >>for "talking out of school" and we weren't dealing with any
 >>earth- shattering secrets. This refrain, that had it happened, I
 >>would have known, is false and anyone who had dealt with
 >>classified material and security clearances knows that.

...Carrying coal to Newcastle, I know, but as a career officer
(retired) I can concur with Dr. Randle.

 >Kevin,

 >Hasn't this situation ever struck you as, uh, well, a bit, shall
 >we say...incongruous?

 >I mean, here's the most classified secret in the history of the
 >world, the greatest moment in human life -- and only a handful
 >of dedicated men sworn to secrecy know the truth. How then, pray
 >tell, did the public at large ever learn of it?

I believe it likely that even that small handful (given the
probable large number of that handful), if they were a remotely
smart handful at all, would plainly realize "the most classified
secret in the history of the world, the greatest moment in human
life..." flatly _couldn't_ be kept. The trick would be to
release it in such a way that the aggregate communication is
corrupted, or otherwise discredited. In this way they can
confuse and obfuscate the issue, maintain their unctuously
plausible deniability, and hide in plain sight.

 >This Band of Brothers doesn't know you, Friedman, Schmitt,
 >Berliner or any other journalist or ufologist from Joe or Adam,
 >and practically all you've got to do is show up in person, pen
 >and paper or videocamera in hand, and they seem only too willing
 >to spill the beans on the world's best kept (sic) Top Secret to
 >a complete outsider.

Oh come on! Put yourself in the shoes of the witnesses. You'd
be busting to finally tell this story if you thought it might
finally be safe to do so. And you know what, you paragon of the
rigid and inflexible? You might even be prone to exaggeration of
that story if you were the type of person that, while generally
honest and forthright, was prone to it. This does not invalidate
the core of the story that contains all the enigma, does not
make the individual witness a liar, and does not prove your
case.

 >I may be exaggerating a little for rhetorical effect, of course,
 >but I've always been curious as to how you've managed to
 >reconcile this apparent contradiction in your mind?

That contradiction is entirely of your manufacture. It does not
exist because you have so smoothly proclaimed it so. And your
rhetorical exaggerating is _required_ to have all this shake
down into the neat little piles you arbitrarily require.

 >As for saying this tightly knit band wouldn't talk amongst
 >itself, but apparently had little compunction against talking to
 >a perfect stranger... well, we all like to have our cake and eat
 >it, too.

Remaining are the "red headed captains" that strut and threaten
about something that "never occurred" Remaining are continuing
admissions that 'something' weird occurred at Roswell, and each
new confabulation is stupider than the last. Remaining is the
increasing heat of the noisy negativist's argument of
inexplicable denial when confronted with refutations of these
arguments. Remaining... but others could make better lists, have
been making them all along, and will continue to make them.

 >I guess we should be thankful that, when the chips were down and
 >the press came calling, they really couldn't keep a secret,

...and you wouldn't either, hopefully; some secrets just
shouldn't be kept. Given the astonishing abuses of the black ops
folks, who aren't working for themselves, remember, appeals to
national security, convenient new definitions of patriotism, and
'needed' erosions of our civil rights... et al, take on a whole
new aspect.

 >after all. Makes you wonder whether or not they served alcohol
 >at all those reunions, doesn't it?

Forgetting that that was absolutely uncalled for and remembering
that with your lot _everything_ must go in the triple 'M' box
(Mad, misinformed, or misinforming), drinking alcohol does not
make the aggregate user a liar, does not make that user
hallucinate, and does not drive the user crazy. Ironically, it
seems the person NEEDING a drink is you.

Lehmberg@snowhill.com
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