From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:30:15 EST
Fwd Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 07:53:22 -0500
Subject: Re: British MOD UFO Study Revealed! - Mortellaro


 >From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 00:38:13 EST
 >Subject: Re: British MOD UFO Study Revealed!
 >To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:17:35 +0100
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@home.com>
 >>From: John Rimmer <jrimmer@magonia.demon.co.uk>
 >>Subject: Re: British MOD UFO Study Revealed!

 >>>From: Robert Gates <RGates8254@aol.com>
 >>>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 00:26:43 EDT
 >>>Subject: Re: British MOD UFO Study Revealed!
 >>>To: ufoupdates@home.com

 >><snip>

 >>>The skeptical mindset has been over the years:

 >>>1) No amount of documents or evidence will ever convince... (so)

 >>>2) Most if not all documents and evidence are proof of
 >>>misidentification, hoax, stars, balloons or errors by the
 >>>witness... (but)

 >>>3) If said document or evidence cannot be explained as above,
 >>>then we attack the credibility of the witness...

 >>>4) Bottom line it absolutly cannot be, so no matter what or who
 >>>everything points to some "earthly" explaination.... (if)

 >>>5) We are unable to find said earthly explaination we cling to
 >>>the hope that someday, sometime, someone, will come up with
 >>>said earthly explaination.

 >>How different from the believers' mindset, which says that

 >The key thing is that the gulliable believers are just as bad,
 >just as foolish, and cling to foolishness just like the skeptics
 >do.

Hmmm... may I make a correction?

Dear Robert, List and Errol,

Skeptics are not such bad guys. I do not believe, in general,
that skeptics are those who believe that there is an explanation
for everything other than the abduction. I _do_ believe that
skeptics are those who believe that there _may_ be another
explanation, and follow up with that until a dead end is
reached.

I do believe you refer to the skeptibunker and wonder if you
agree? Class, the Philly, is one such.

And for the record I think you are correct, with that one
caveat. Any person should question every aspect of his or her
perceived experiences on the basis of finding absolute truth.
And for the record as well, in my mind, I firmly believe that
what I remember experiencing, did occur. It's just that I can't
believe it.

Just kidding. I can't "understand" it and therefore I cannot
accept it as absolute truth. See? What a terrible conundrum. An
oxymoron. To know within that one has had terrorizing
experiences and to know within that such is not possible within
accepted science. Such is the life of a man who questions. I
question.

 >Skeptics say all cases are explainable; gulliable believers say
 >everything is a UFO. Other then a difference of opinion, they
 >are on the same sheet of belief music.

Correction, _Skeptibunkers_! But I know your meaning.

 >>1) No UFO case must ever be explained. Any attempt to do so is
 >>"debunking", "pelicanism" or "skeptibunking".

Venus!

 >>2) Everything any UFO witness or abductee reports must be
 >>accepted without question as the literal truth. Anyone who
 >>doubts of finds discrepancies in an account is a heartless,
 >>unsympathetic monster.

Too true. Also too sad.

 >>3) There are no earthly explanations.

There may not be any earthly explanations.

 >>4) If documentary evidence which can decisively explain a case
 >>is produced it is clearly "disinformation", probably spread by
 >>the US government. This is because believing ufologists are so
 >>clever that it takes the resources of an entire government to
 >>fool them

 >>5) If ultimately believers are forced by the weight of evidence
 >>to accept a sceptical explanation, they cling to the hope that
 >>eventually someday, sometime someone will come up with the
 >>"smoking gun" which proves the ETH. 55 years and counting.

 >Always interesting to see the gulliable skeptics who believe
 >anything as long as it fits their skeptical belief system.

 >Cheers,

 >Robert

Robert, the time has come for truth. But truth as I've said so
often, can be unstable. For truth turns out to be individual,
based on so many variables which impact on logic. Sometimes
truth is mixed too richly with emotion, which when presented
with logic, almost always wins.

My truth, mine... is such that from age about three I was taken
from my home, indeed, from the bed of my parents between whom I
slept on those bad nights of expectation. I was taken by them. I
was transported somehow on a solid blue light (beam?) I was
examined. I was taught stuff. I was abused, physically and et
al. I have triangular marks on my arm and leg. Three solid
circles about 1/4 inch in diameter in a perfect equilateral
triangle of about 3/4 inch per side.

I have the same mark on my leg, left arm, right leg. On the left
arm, there is no way I could have made the marks myself. No way.
I am not ambidextrous. Although I believe I could have had a lot
more fun with my clothes on had I been. These are examined by a
more than competent dermatologist and a matter of record.
Photographed and biopsied. Many times. No answer. Not made by
anything which is in his text books. "His" words.

Lights go out on me. Clocks (digital mostly) don't work. I have
the classical illnesses which many abductees share. I have
memories. Memories which have not changed for 55 years.
Verifiable too. As mom and dad have heard the stroty that long.
Mom and dad celebrated their 63rd wedding anniversary on October
30. Dad still drives. His memories of poor me and mom's too, are
burned into their minds because my experiences were so traumatic
for the entire family.

I've experienced missing time, which cannot be explained (read
the book).

But throughout all that, I still believe that there _MAY_ be
another explanation. In my mind, highly impossible that this may
be so. But intellectually, it is possible.

Go figger.

Such is not siding with the enema .... enemy, the skeptibunker,
such is siding with logic and reason. Which when mixed in with
emotion, usually lose big time.

One last thing... Trust no one. Promise nothing. Believe what is
your truth and get on with life. And if you can, tell the world,
because there are many confused and helpless people out there.
Sharing if you can is a good thing not a bad thing. Then, all
who wish may decided for themselves. Who knows, one may help
someone in the process by telling of something which they too,
have experienced. It's too damned easy to perceive that you are
quite crazy. But when you think you are nuts, you usually are
not. This was the case with me. Phobic. But on the three plus
psychological profiles I've had, there is no illness or other
flag.

As for hypnosis, I still believe that one's own recall is much
more strong and believable (by the experiencer) than hypnosis.
Although I accept the possibility that I am wrong on that count.

Jim Mortellaro