From: Greg Sandow <greg@gregsandow.com>
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:41:27 -0400
Fwd Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:20:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Sgt. Moody's Abduction - González Manso -


 >From: Luis R. González Manso <lrgm@arrakis.es>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >Subject: Re: Sgt. Moody's Abduction
 >Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 19:23:34 +0200

 >>But did you see my reply to your Travis Walton/2001 post?
 >>Walton certainly didn't say his aliens had normal eyes. He
 >>didn't describe big-eyed grays, but found the eyes of his
 >>aliens striking, unusual, and even (if I remember his quote
 >>correctly)frightening.

 >Yes, I saw it, but could not answer in time.

 >You are moving the goalposts. The shape and size of the alien's
 >eyes described by Walton is the same that those of the 2001
 >poster (without eyebrows and eyelashes, but with a white cornea
 >and a dark iris). A total different thing are the sensations and
 >feeling such eyes gave Travis (striking, unusual and
 >frightening).

"The same" is tricky language. The same according to who? Would
Walton look at the poster, and say the eyes he described were
"the same"?

And why would the eyes frighten him so much? What about them was
frightening? That's something else I'd want to know, before I
said the eyes were "the same" as those in the poster.

Seems to me we have a 50-50 situation here. Walton didn't
describe the eyes as many later abductees did, but on the other
hand the eyes had much the same on him as the all-black eyes had
on other abductees. (Note my language: "Much the same" seems
like a far safer way to talk, when we're talking about something
so unclear and subjective.) In your earlier post, you said
Walton described "normal" eyes. I'd think "normal" is hardly the
word to use for eyes that were so frightening.

 >Who was the first to describe a total black eye? I am looking...
 >Betty Andreasson... no, but I have just discovered (by
 >serendipity, how I love this word) a different tack.

As far as I know, all-black eyes were described by abductees in
the early '70s. Some of their cases haven't ben published, but
others would be in Budd's book "Missing Time." Note, though,
that the cases in that book can't be dated from the book's
publication date. They might have happened long before the book
was written.

Eddie Bullard would be the one to ask when all-black eyes first
surfaced in published accounts.


Greg Sandow