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Re: UHR Issue #8 Available On-Line - Velez

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:36:55 -0400
Fwd Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 11:10:50 -0400
Subject: Re: UHR Issue #8 Available On-Line - Velez

 >From: Bob Young <YoungBob2@aol.com>
 >Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:21:45 EDT
 >Subject: Re: UHR Issue #8 Available On-Line
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

 >>From: Jim Klotz <jklotz77@foxinternet.net>
 >>To: UFO UpDates <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >>Subject: UHR Issue #8 Available On-Line
 >>Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 23:13:16 -0700

 >>The latest issue (#8 - February 2001) of Barry Greenwood's
 >>newsletter, the U.F.O. Historical Revue (UHR) is now on-line and
 >>available for your viewing in both HTML and .PDF formats.

 >>Articles include: "Questions on a 1953 Cape Cod Mystery,"
 >>"Censorship: The Kirtland Fireball Catalog," and an "Extract:
 >>History of the 57th Fighter-Interceptor Wing (1950, Alaska)."

 >>To access this (and earlier issues) of UHR, go to:


 >Jim, John, Listers:

 >This is an always informative publication, and website.
 >I noticed two little tidbits, today.

 >Tidbit #1 - In the current issue article about the Kirtland Air
 >Force Base list of 1946-1950 Green Fireballs, Barry Greenwood
 >discusses a possible case of Air Force Censorship. In the 1970s
 >ten years after the list was declassified the assessment of
 >eyewitness credibility and the evaluation of the sighting were
 >apparently blacked out. He suggests that this may have made the
 >list more mysterious than it was. The list was obtained through
 >the Freedom of Information Act, which was passed and went into
 >effect in the early 1970s. It requires the deleting of
 >information identifying private citizens for privacy reasons.

Hola Young Bob, All,

 >I suggest that this privacy concern may be why this was done in
 >these cases.

Nothing wrong with protecting the identity of someone who wishes
to remain anonymous. Your tidbit brings to mind a picture of
Stan Friedman leafing through a document obtained via the FOIA
that has whole pages redacted/blacked out. Pages where they
wouldn't even show the 'ands' and 'it's'. I don't think they
'always' do it just to protect someone's privacy though. Ask
Stan. <LOL>

 >Tidbit #2 - On the website, Don Johnson's interesting list of
 >"UFO hotspots" in the U.S. provides some food for thought. I
 >notice that in Pennsylvania there are only two, the most
 >prominent being Westmoreland County, just east of Pittsburgh.
 >Both of these locations are where active UFO investigators are
 >based. Westmoreland County has been the location of Stan Gordon
 >and his groups for the past 20 years.

 >Unless the ETs have redlined the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
 >for some reason (maybe they are allergic to coal dust), it seems
 >that the population of potential witnesses is not nearly as
 >important as the population of investigators who stimulate and
 >collect reports.

That's not a fair comment on two counts Bob.

1. _Of course_ an area where someone is actively working to
gather 'local' sighting reports is going to have 'more reported
sightings' than an area where no researchers (or information
gatherers if you will) are known to exist. (by the locals) If
you can "accuse" them of anything, maybe it's for being a bit
too "provincial" (local) in their data gathering.

2. I'm not comfortable with your use of the word "stimulate" to
kind of explain the number of reports these local guys gather.
As if their mere "presence" or in the worst case, "influence"
has something to do with the number of reports they receive.

I hear what you are 'trying' to say, you just chose a 'one
sided'/'one dimensional' way of presenting it. Blanket
statements are very rarely, if ever, true. Although I agree that
a few reports may be submitted by 'jokers' with nothing better
to do, or even by a few needy people seeking attention, but it's
not fair to paint them 'all' with the same brush. The reports
need to be investigated _before_ anyone can determine their
validity. Your suggestion of investigator influence seeks to
invalidate them all in one stroke.

Not a fair assessment Mr. Young.

 >Just a thought on this beautiful spring day along the
 >Susquehanna River.

Yeah, the weather has been glorious in New York too. I took
advantage and stretched my legs for a brisk five mile walk just
to drink it all in and get the Winter and all the cobwebs out of
my bones. I love Spring and Fall most of all.

'Great to be alive' weather. Ah, Spring! ;)


John Velez

           "Nothing is at last sacred but the
             integrity of your own mind."

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