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Re: Belief - Velez

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:38:45 -0400
Fwd Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:01:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Belief - Velez

 >From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >Subject: Re: Belief
 >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:38:45 -0500

 >>From: Dave Bowden <grafikfx@lineone.net>
 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>
 >>Subject: Belief
 >>Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:38:02 +0100


 >>They all believe very strongly in the existence of Fairies,
 >>little people with dragonfly wings.

 >No, they aren't. "Dragonfly wings" were a Victorian literary
 >invention. Worldwide fairy traditions, the subject of a great
 >deal of oral lore nearly everywhere human beings can be found,
 >typically characterize fairies as small humanlike beings with
 >supernatural powers. They do not have wings, dragonfly's or

 >>Now of course we know such things don't really exist don't we,
 >>but they won't be budged from their belief.

 >>A belief system seems to exist on all levels, if you have
 >>children then you know what I mean, if not then you can't begin
 >>to understand.

 >A small point: "Belief system" is one of those meaningless cant
 >phrases, employed where a mere "belief" will do.

 >I'm not sure what the relevance of your children's ideas about
 >fairies is to our current discussion, but the whole question of
 >fairy "belief" - and, more interestingly to anomalists, fairy
 >"experience" - is far more complicated than you apparently
 >realize. It's fascinated me for a long time, and I've written
 >about it most recently in my book Unexplained! and in Stacy and
 >Huyghe's journal The Anomalist ("From Mermaids to Little Gray
 >Men," Spring 2000).

 >There is a range of experiences (differ from events, in my view)
 >for which we have no real vocabulary and thus are very hard to
 >conceptualize; thus, fairies almost certainly do not exist, but
 >it is strangely possible to have vivid experiences of them (or
 >other comparable supernatural entities). We really have few
 >clues to the dynamics of such things. Though I disagree with him
 >on a number of points, Hilary Evans has pioneered this area of
 >inquiry and should be read by any and all who are intrigued by
 >such matters.

Hi Jerry, hi All,

There is a difference between a belief based on an actual
'event' and one based on hearsay. It's the difference between,
"I heard that fire burns if you touch it with your bare hands,"
and, "I stuck my hand in a fire and it burned the crap out of

My "belief" in UFOs and their occupants comes from -contact-
with them. (An actual, waking, real-life "event.") At that point
"belief" becomes "knowledge." Which is why I'm fond of the
(cant) "I am a UFO knower" as opposed to, "UFO believer."


John Velez

                     "Nothing is at last sacred but the
                         integrity of your own mind."

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