From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:03:20 -0400 (EDT)
Fwd Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:57:25 -0400
Subject: UpDate: Re: Abductee Files/Our Children - Mortellaro


 >Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:25:21 -0500 (CDT)
 >From: Chris Rutkowski <rutkows@cc.UManitoba.CA>
 >Subject: Re: Abductee Files/Our Children
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

 >>From: James Easton <voyager@ufoworld.co.uk>
 >>Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:13:59 +0100
 >>To: updates@sympatico.ca
 >>Subject: Re: Abductee Files/Our Children

 >>>Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:32:11 -0400
 >>>From: Ann Mulvey <annmulvey@compuserve.com>
 >>>Subject: Abductee Files/Our Children
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@sympatico.ca>

 >>>The article continues with "A key section of Carpenter's talk
 >>>centered around accounts given by child contactees. "
 >>>"There was 5-year-old "
 >>>"An 8-year-old boy "
 >>>"A 3-year-old "
 >>>How many more children are among the 140 cases sold to NIDS?

 >>Ann,
 >>There must obviously be a gross mistake here and we seriously
 >>aren't talking about children so young as 8 years old, let alone
 >>3-year-olds, in any such context, whatsoever.
 >>If there are in fact children who have in any way been involved
 >>with 'alien abductions/contactee research', can someone please
 >>confirm precisely what they were asked to participate in, who
 >>the interviewers were and whether hypnosis was ever employed.

 >Jim:

 >The abduction of children by aliens is accepted as fact by most
 >abduction "experts" and propagated among avid readers of the UFO
 >genre and those listening with rapt attention to lectures about
 >these claims. Of course, as I have pointed out in various
 >publications, it doesn't seem logical to embrace these stories
 >without much thought.

 >One person who has noted children's abductions is John Mack:

 >"A two-year-old boy that I interviewed said that he was taken
 >into the sky by a man who bit his nose. A not-yet-three-year-old
 >boy said that owls with big eyes (it is common for children to
 >remember the alien beings disguised in animal forms) take him up
 >to a ship in the sky, and he is afraid he will not be able to
 >get back to his mother."

 >Mack, John. (1992). Why the abduction phenomenon cannot be
 >explained psychiatrically. PEER. Website:
 >www.peer-mack.org/mit92.html

 >But as I noted in my most recent book:

 >"As for abductions occurring in children as young as three years
 >old, I can only note that in my own experiences with
 >three-year-old children, I have found they can come up with some
 >really imaginative things.

Hello Chris, EBK, Listers and Pootan, the alien from hell,

Thank you for your observations. Since I know nothing about you,
never read one of your books, etc., (no offense) I must ask the
following questions. You said above, that "... in my own
experience with 3 year old children..." then went on to comment
about their active imaginations. Uh, were any of these active
imaginations speaking to you about abductions or were these
"normal" children?

And to what do you refer when you use the word "experience" with
children? Any experience with crazies like me. Or better, with
any perceived abductees now grown up?

 >For example, when I asked my three-year-old what he had for
 >lunch, I could easily convince him that he had a grilled-cheese
 >sandwich, when he really had eaten spaghetti (and vice-versa).
 >Sometimes, he even gave me a wrong answer without any prompting.
 >So, I personally have to doubt whether or not the testimony of a
 >young child in recalling an alien abduction is very accurate.
 >Yet, Mack has described abduction experiences in even younger
 >children."

When I was three years old, I am told that I had the diction of
a child of age seven or eight. And no one could convince me that
the pasta I had for lunch was anything but pasta. Not wishing to
give you the wrong impression, but my childhood and it's
memories are quite real in my mind. Perhaps your child is more
suggestive than I was? Or maybe he just likes to eat.

When I was three, it was 1946. No TV was there in our house. I
was reading third grade reading material when I was five. The
only fiction I had was on the radio. "Yours truly, Johnny
Dollar, Arthur Godfrey, John MacNeil's Breakfast Club, the Lone
Ranger etc., etc.

No sci-fi, no "beam me up Scottie." I had never even seen a
photo of a flying saucer before I was seven years old. And yet,
I was drawing them for my parents. Still have some of those
drawings. Pencil on anything. And I drew little stick men with
big eyes and fat heads.

I called the saucer a hospital and the little sons of evil
(read: Aliens) I called "Doctors," because they did all sorts of
examinations on me. Now how do you figger that? I cannot. Except
that these are the memories I retain from 1944 on out.

Mom kept a diary. I was not aware of this book (several
actually) until a few months ago. I am now going over it in
order to see if her memories from the time match my memories of
the time.

Interesting eh? Well, I hate to say, "read the book." But when
it comes out (God knows how long it will take) - Read the book.
Mom will support everything she rememebers, including the times
I was missing. Yup, really missing.

 >So, it's a matter of personal opinion, I suppose.
 >Scientifically, I would have to doubt the veracity of children's
 >abduction stories. But if Mack and Carpenter say so, it must be
 >true, right?

Nope. But if I say so it is. True. But unfortunately, only to
me.

Please forgive me if I sound sarcastic. I don't wish to be. But
what I am speaking of are _my_ memories. To me, they are as real
as they can be. And I have my loving parents to back many of
them up. I am fortunate. Not in that respect. But fortunate that
they are still with me. After all them years. 57. Hah! Poor old
folks simply can't get rid of me. An only child. And still
living in the past.

Children, some children, have dreams which to them are the
memories of real events. When I was a young whipper snapper, no
one could tell me what was or was not real in my mind. My
wonderful and nurturing parents called them dreams. I told them
they were real. They did not believe me, but they assured me
that if what I was remembering was real, that they would always
be there to protect me.

They could not do that. Much as they tried. And I am certain
that there are many more out there like me. Some with some real
tail twisters for stories. I know there are. I've met people
jiust like me. Chris, maybe you should've interviewed me and
some folks I know before you wrote the book.

Maybe not. I promise however, that if you write me offlist and
tell me about your book, that I will read it. Shoot, I need all
the help I can get. Just promise me a discount. I am self
publishing my drech. Original art by Lehmberg and Di Niro.
That'd be my lovely wifey's maiden name. A bitchin artist.
Lehmberg, not Rosie. Rosie is a non bitchin artist. Lehmberg
just bitches... and bitches... his only saving grace is that he
is the spitting image of Pia Zadora. It's why I love him.

Just kidding. He doesn't look a thing like Pia. Maybe her hubby,
but not her.

Jim