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Re: Bigelow/NIDS Purchase Of Records - Velez

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 00:39:47 -0500
Fwd Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:33:25 +0000
Subject: Re: Bigelow/NIDS Purchase Of Records - Velez

 >From: J. D. Scarpellini <Claros10@aol.com>
 >Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:45:37 EST
 >Subject: Bigelow/NIDS Purchase Of Records
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

 >[Non-Subscriber Post]

 >To the List:

 >Since I've read the various postings concerning John Carpenter's
 >sale of records to Robert Bigelow/NIDS the following things from
 >Roger K. Leir's book may be of interest. It appears that
 >Bigelow/NIDS may have a history (ongoing?) of solicitatiion of
 >and purchase of files.

 >The Aliens And The Scalpel (ISBN 1-893183-02-5)
 >Granite Publishing, author Dr. Roger K. Leir, D.P.M.

 >On page 107 Dr. Leir describes a call from Bigelow's secretary
 >telling Dr. Leir that the board has been looking at the budget
 >proposal. They (the board) would like to know the paitients
 >names, medical histories, and experiences as abductees. They
 >would also like to know if they have demonstrable evidence which
 >shows on an X-ray CAT scan or MRI.

 >Leir then writes that he told the secretary that he would
 >happily provide all the answers and send them by FAX. "I typed
 >the answers that night and FAXed them to both NIDS and Derrel"

 >Several days later Leir received another communication from the
 >secretary telling him the board had approved the budget and she
 >would fax him a set of documents.

 >It seems to me that names and medical histories are more medical
 >records. (That are now paid for and in Bigelow/NIDS hands) I'd
 >like to hear opinions and thoughts from anyone else that has
 >read this book. It sure looks like Bigelow _asked_ for
 >information from medical records. Were there release forms
 >signed by the patients? Did they know about it?

 >J. D. Scarpellini

Allow me if I may!

Hi JD, hi All,

The first time I brought this subject to the attention of the
List and the UFO community at large I had hopes that the end
result would be 'some kind' of new awareness about, and
attention to, the rights of abductees as witnesses. Strip away
the label "abductee" and what you have is a person. In America
"people" have certain rights of protection that are guaranteed
by the Constitution and insured by law. In the case of the sale
of client files by John Carpenter to Robert Bigelow I raised a
red flag and questioned the propriety and even the legality of
the transfer of such personal information without the knowledge
or consent of the client. At that time I told every body that
the rabbit hole went much deeper than just the one transaction
involving John Carpenter.

Nobody picked up on it. Nobody wanted to touch it with a ten
foot cattle prod. Everyone was in such an uproar over the
original disclosure that persuing the possibility that it
involved more people, more files, more researchers, was just
beyond most folks ability to tolerate, spend time on it or, in
some cases, even to care. The point is, nobody questioned my
comment or chose to pursue it any further.

Here we are four months down the road and another incident
involving yet another abduction 'researcher' where abductee
files and personal information seem to be a 'marketable
commodity'. At least to Mr. Bigelow and whoever has sold him the
personal files of any UFO witnesses/abductees.

Guess what? It won't be the last either.

Until something is done (and done by the individuals that were
violated in this way) -nothing- is going to change. It's going
to be "business as usual" and every once in awhile another
of these so called "abduction researchers" is going to get
busted for having cashed in on their clients personal files.


BTW, John Carpenter has "explained" the "attack on his
character" as being motivated by our (myself and the
few others that confronted him about the sale of client
files to Bigelow originally) wish to, "publicly destroy the
credibility" of his "disappearing night watchman" videotape.

Can you believe it?


This latest edition including Dr. Leir in the transfer of client
files to private citizen Bigelow is just the tip of the iceburg

"It ain't over till it's over!"  (Professor Yogi Berra)

And all of this mess is far from over... or even close to
being resolved.

John Velez,

*I tried ta tells ya, but ya refuses ta listen!

                     A.I.C. - Abduction Information Center -
  "Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind."