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Re: Questions for Abductees

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 04:31:50 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 10:02:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Questions for Abductees

>From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:50:34 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Questions for Abductees.

>> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:10:15 -0500
>> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for Abductees

Hello All,

As this thread is going nowhere fast, this will be my last on
this one. It takes two people to communicate and we're apparently
'one short' here. <G>

Lawrie again goes off,

>I see since this arrived several more accusatory rants have arrived.
>Never before in the history of ufology have so many become so
>excited about so little.

You are 'screwing' with the mind of a sixteen year old, it's
dangerous and wrong and there was nothing "little" about it. It
was just damned irresponsible.

>> I know that you only tried to do your best and that no harm was
>> ever intended by you, to the contrary, it is clear that you were
>> trying to help.

>Condescension, soon to be followed by flames.

No Lawrie, not "condescension" I was trying to give you the
benefit of the doubt. But in your usual immature fashion you
choose to take umberage.

>> But,...at some point in the game the peer review

>This is not peer review. This is hounding since you reiterate points
>I spent hours dealing with. You may agree with me or agree to disagree
>with me, but either way do me a favour and make up your mind.

1. Yes, it _is_ "peer review" I am an abductee. And the others
are involved in research in one fashion or another. You have
claimed both by first counselling someone and then by proclaiming
your source of knowledge as your own abduction experiences. If
you're an abductee, you bet your bippy I'm one of your "peers."
And if you are going to involve yourself in an " alleged
abduction case" you better be ready to hear from those who have
spent years studying or researching the phenomenon.

2. I have made up my mind, I thought I made that clear. I think
you are an extremely irresponsible person at best, and if all of
this was ego based to begin with (which I now strongly suspect
based on your defensive responses to all concerned) you are a
very sick one too. Is that clear enough Lawrie?

>> that you have recieved on this list (and such a unanimous one
>> from so many people on both sides of the fence) that it has got
>> to reach you.

>I don't consider about six people out of hundreds to be unanimous.

Mr Malone asked you a good one and I'll just reiterate it. How
many came to your defense Lawrie? It is -you- that have taken the
feedback you have recieved and rather than learn from it, you
have chosen to defensively 'react' to it. Shame.

>> Judging from your defensive response to my post that hasn't happened yet

>Mud sticks if one does not reply.

You confuse my not dignifying your childishness with a response
as a lack of one. Sometimes 'silence' speaks louder than words
Lawrie but I'm sure such subtleties are completely wasted on you.
I've raised two kids. When a child throws a tantrum the very best
course of action is to ignore them until they calm down and
compose themselves. That,...is what I was doing with you. Why the
hell would I want to 'reward your behavior' with a response! I'm
still waiting for you to get it together by the way.

>I assume you and your friends will continue to take turns posting
>misinformation and false accusations,...

Jeez Lawrie, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

>...until I either submit or leave the list. Is that your goal?

Yes Lawrie, good choice! Paranoia is an excellent addition to the
other qualities you have demonstrated here. No-one is (or was)
-out to get you- Lawrie. Errol Bruce-Knapp is the only one who
can add or delete someone from this list. It is also possible for
someone to eliminate themselves through beligerence,
disruptiveness or antagonism. You've got a good head start on
those. You should learn from the lesson of the 'good doctor' who
will remain unamed. <nervous grin>

(BTW Mendoza, you've invited the wrath the 'Great and Hairy
Bearded One' by twice alluding to Heir Doktor. You know what
grumbling that ellicits from him, watch yer ass! Never antagonize
a bear that suffers from mood swings.

No Lawrie, we aren't out to -get you off the list- (although your
silence _would be_ most welcome at this stage! <EG>

>Since I intend to do neither, can we arrive at a compromise? I shall
>promise to never make a posting to this list again but to join the
>intelligent majority and lurk.

No Lawrie, no compromise, post all you want. Promise me you won't
ever mess with another human beings head and life again and I'll
be satisfied with that.

>And you and your kind,...

I'll just let this little beauty hang there for all to see Lawrie. Nuff said?

>I tried to offer the list a different view,
>one based on experience, insight and strong moral values that have
>proven, regrettably, to not be in alignment with their UFO dogma.

See how you've missed the point! It is -YOU- who bring "dogma"
(or is that Dagmar?) to the discussion. It is your "Dagmar" that
we've all been jumping on you with both feet about! You are one
of a kind kid, I'll give you that.

And based on your incessant defense of your indefensible behavior
I agree that your "point of view" is different all right. Very

The rest of your post is just more of the same so I'm going to
spare the good readers any more of this tortuous nonsense. I
won't be responding to anything else on this thread. It's been
played. I suggest that Mike and Peter and Jerry and anyone else
that tried to talk some sense into you to, 'hang it up guys.'
It's a waste of time, the lights are on but there's nobody home!
My daddy, in his infinite wisdom once said, "Son, -NEVER- beat a
dead horse!"

48 years old eh? So am I.....


                              John Velez

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