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Re: Questions for Abductees

From: "Clarke Hathaway" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:19:24 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:14:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Questions for Abductees

> From: clark@canby.mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 18:11:53 PST
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Questions for Abductees

> > I would have to say that puts him in good company. It is my
> > considered opinion that it is from the minds of John Keel and Dr.
> > J. Vallee that the most enlightening concepts in regards to these
> > phenomena have come. Most others are mere legends within their
> > own minds in my humble opinion.

> Clarke,

> Thanks for an interesting post.  I respect your experiences
> and the conclusions you draw from them, even if I disagree
> with them.  I'm sure at least some other abductees would
> also disagree.  But I haven't been in  your shoes, and I'm
> not about to tell you what to think about what's happened
> to you.

Jerome or do you prefer Jerry?

<chuckle>  I appreciate you stance and AM grateful that you are
not more demonstrably in disagreement. You are correct that you
haven't walked in my shoes nor have you had the experiences that
Julie and I endured for an entire year while still residing in
Sacramento, California prior to relocating to Farmington, NM for
15 months and then on to the Phoenix area. We would sometimes
experience visitation for four and five nights in a row that were
extremely ethereal in quality. Absolutely reeking of paranormal
occurrences. Extremely similar to Ghost and Apparition phenomena.
Perhaps one day given the time, I will sit down and put all of
these recollections to paper.

What is interesting is that Julie had absolutely no prior
experience with UFOs and conjectured alien entities prior to her
joining me from Spokane, Washington. Julie is a highly trained,
Certified Hypnotherapist.

She was certainly shocked when she began seeing little gray
aliens.

> I will say, however, that from just about any point of view,
> Keel and Vallee have shed far more darkness than light on
> ufology's many vexing questions. Demonologist Keel has a
> great 13th-century mind, and Vallee is incoherent when he
> isn't being paranoia-addled, and vice versa.  I urge you to
> read my essay on "Paranormal and Occult Theories about
> UFOs" in my just-published (and available at your local
> bookstore) trade paperback The UFO Book, or the much-
> extended discussions to appear in the second edition of my
> UFO Encyclopedia (due out in January 1998).

I have a great amount of difficulty with the E.T. hypothesis. I
find that there is little if anything to support it. Appreciate
Vallee or not, he is correct when he infers that the UFO question
is not one which science is equipped to solve. Having a limited
military intelligence background, I can appreciate it when he
states that it is an Intelligence problem.

Who ever is perpetrating these events are doing it for their own
purposes. They have controlled and continue to control the
dissemination of information in regards to time, purpose and
motivation of activity. That this activity is wide spread and
upon diverse levels is undeniable. Only fools and those having a
penchant for making foolish statements, are in denial of these
phenomena.

In the final analysis however, I no longer see much of a sinister
nature to unknown seeming craft traversing our atmosphere. I feel
that perhaps most UFO sightings constitute something far
different than anything that has so far been conjectured. While
information that has been placed at my disposal would seem to
indicate that there are indeed some from elsewhere in this galaxy
(as well as perhaps others), they have had little direct contact
with those of this planet except on rare occurrences when called
for. Others are here extradimensionally and the same details
generally apply.

I will state that I AM personally satisfied as to who and what
these Gray, so-called Aliens are and what motivates them. Once
one comes to these realizations and exercises what tools that
this realization provides, one is able to rid oneself of the
torment that their visitations most often bring.

Forgive my seeming harshness when I state that many of my fellow
Experiencers have grown into a sort of symbiotic relationship
with those who perpetrate their visitations. It has been my
direct observation that some have even developed a need for the
role of victim. It supplies craved and ultimately needed
attention that they would not otherwise receive. I hold in
contempt the many Abduction researchers out there who only serve
to perpetuate the abductee as a victim, ignorantly unrealizing of
the facts that we individually have a great responsibility in our
own reality and what occurs within it.

> That aside, I'm glad to have your insights.  Let's hope that when
> this all gets sorted out, we'll all be the wiser.

I AM pleased to have yours as well.
I agree with your sentiments as to the ultimate results.

Somehow I feel that the day is not too far off when this
will all become much more clear. :-)

Kindest Regards...

Clarke Hathaway



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