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Re: Witness Anonymity

From: "Clarke Hathaway" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:31:37 -0700
Fwd Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:20:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Witness Anonymity

> From: ujack@pop3.scrapcity.cnchost.com [Mark Medford]
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 19:58:04 +0000
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity

> > From: "Clark Hathaway" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
> > To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
> > Subject: Paranormal flavor of abduction.
> > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:22:22 -0700

> Clark ends his post to me - regarding the possibility that some
> aspects of our three dimensional reality might be labelled "para"
> normal, simply because they are not yet fully understood:

> > In so far as your understanding of the term 'metaphysics' and
> > metaphysical' is concerned, it has a misty quality for me.
> > Metaphysics encompasses any number of philosophies and
> > disciplines. I AM left wondering how well read you are within the
> > genre that you make such an argument as that above.

> Metaphysics is, by definition,  speculative philosophy. I have no
> doubt that many things within the human experience fall well
> outside the bounds of traditional science. My point was simply
> this - there are examples throughout history of events,
> experiences, behaviors, etc., that were at one time considered
> outside the known boundaries as well. With time, and greater
> knowledge, many of these things came to be viewed differently.
> Not all, but many.

You have a right to your reality I suppose.
Following however, is a good working definition of metaphysics. :-)

met=B7a=B7phys=B7ics (m=E8t=B4e-f=EEz=B9=EEks) noun
Abbr. met., metaph.
1.	(used with a sing. verb). Philosophy. The branch of philosophy
that examines the nature of reality, including the relationship
between mind and matter, substance and attribute, fact and

2.	(used with a pl. verb). The theoretical or first principles of
a particular discipline: the metaphysics of law.

3.	(used with a sing. verb). A priori speculation upon questions
that are unanswerable to scientific observation, analysis, or

4.	(used with a sing. verb). Excessively subtle or recondite
reasoning. [Pl. of Middle English methaphisik, from Medieval
Latin metaphysica, from Medieval Greek (ta) metaphusika, Greek
(Ta) meta (ta) phusika, (the things) after the physics, the title
of Aristotle's treatise on first principles (so called because it
followed his work on physics) : meta, after. See META- + phusika,
physics. See PHYSICS.]

I would submit that there exist for some various attributes and
abilities that work for them. These things most certainly are not
theoretical and are demonstrable nearly at will. so-called solid
Science (largely based upon theory as well) is at a loss to
adequately describe the mechanics of these abilities, while
certain tenets of various branches of metaphysics go a long way
toward explaining them completely.

> As to Linda's story, I have no opinion one way or the other. My
> comments were intended to address specific questions that you
> posed to the list - not to challenge or to defend her.

Yes, I understand that and it is appreciated. I trust that I
answered your thoughts with some manner of logic in showing why I
have such reservation as to her tale.

> I confess that I am not a multiple abduction experiencer - at
> least not to my knowledge. About all I can claim is a sighting
> and an episode of missing time when I was five. I have, however,
> had two NDE's following heart blockages a year apart. I know,
> without a shadow of a doubt, that life continues - in some form -
> once the physical body expires. I also happen to believe in
> reincarnation (which is often lumped together with crystals and
> auras as a New Age, metaphysical belief).

You have had some valuable lessons it would appear and are
blessed.  Fear is a debilitating thing. I would hope that no one
here would mistake New Age for anything remotely having to do
with metaphysics. New Age in my view, is "pop" metaphysics. These
folks though perhaps well meaning, take a bit here from what
looks good and a bit there from what sounds good and blends it
all into an incoherent something that has no real basis in

I will take the book and it's sequels "The Celestine Prophecy"
for example. This whole literary project is a result of "POP"
metaphysics and is pure New Age. It is based upon a few facts,
even more assumption and a whole lot of speculation. Still an
entertaining read though for some. ;-)

> My reading on topics considered metaphysical  (as well as studies
> in quantum physics and the more traditional sciences), is fairly
> extensive. One thing seems very clear - in areas that are
> speculative, there is no shortage of ideas! We are still looking
> for the answers, and until we find them (until they are no longer
> viewed outside the realm of our understanding), all we have are
> theories, viewpoints that we embrace. I hope that we can all be
> intellectually flexible enough to consider the many angles that
> make up "reality".

You are perhaps better read in the 'hard' sciences than I.
I make no excuses for that. My life simply took a different path.
I AM a successful Artist and have in the past been a successful musician.
I have been successful in business and have lost every dime that I made.

What is real to me and seen is not to many. I submit however that
it has been some of these things that can be directly pointed to
as being largely instrumental in my being alive today. Therefore
when one debunker or another skeptic states to me that a thing is
impossible and couldn't be so ... I merely softly chuckle knowing
that sadly this person lacks whatever necessary ingredient to
allow for them also experiencing what I do.

> It will be interesting to see, several hundred years from now,
> what will be viewed as paranormal, and what will have become
> accepted as the "norm".

Oh, I rather think that it will get intensely interesting a LOT
sooner than that Mark. There IS great change afoot in the world
and with it. :-)

Many of these little Gray Critters are extremely similar to many
humans. They dislike intensely and have a great amount of trouble
dealing with change especially when drastic. I feel that
relatively soon the world (this Earth) will be a far different
place on which to live than has been experienced before.

Kindest Regards...

Clarke Hathaway

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