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Re: Zeta Notso Ridiculoso

From: Ed Stewart <egs@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:02:34 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 16:56:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Zeta Notso Ridiculoso

Hello Duke, Hello Henny, and a special Hello to Mr. Mxyzptlk

> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:41:52 -0400
> From: Gunslinger Peat <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
> Subject: Zeta Notso Ridiculoso
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>,

> The Duke of Mendoza presents his compliments between guffaws.

> >Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 20:17:08 +0200 (MET DST)
> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Zeta Notso Ridiculoso

Henny is observed making the following statement of ufological wisdom:

> >The argument that ET visitation
> >is improbable because such speeds don't exist is obsolete even
> >according to present day human science.

The above statement is totally incoherrant with present day
science. Tachions do exist on the mathematical scratch pads of
modern day science, but the real problem according to the physics
FAQ on tachions found at:


is the following:

"The bottom line is that you can't use tachyons to send
information faster than the speed of light from one place to
another. Doing so would require creating a message encoded some
way in a localized tachyon field, and sending it off at
superluminal speed toward the intended receiver. But as we have
seen you can't have it both ways - localized tachyon disturbances
are subluminal and superluminal disturbances are nonlocal."

So, the same mathematics that predicts tachions, also predicts
that information can't be sent faster than the speed of light.
That, I am afraid is the real issue and show stopper. Those
practicing ufological wisdom need to regroup and reconsider their

> ...if
> ET is, or was, living in a nearby star system, all ET needs is the
> wherewithal and the determination to travel through space for a few
> years to get here. Stan may fall off his chair at hearing it, but
> this seems pretty reasonable to me.

It certainly doesn't require a tachion turbodrive. (GRIN)

> >You would have found that
> >out had you read some real science magazines.

> Perhaps you'd also care to tell me and the rest of the world what I
> do and don't read, as you seem to keep pretty sharp tabs on it. I
> ask because I tend to forget so easily these days and, like Ed
> Stewart, I don't seem to be able to get out of my armchair.

I finally got out of mine. It seems that being a bookworm does
have its paydays. (GRIN) I am surprised that the FTL proponents
never have ran into that one show stopper regarding the transport
of information at superluminal speeds in the acquisition of their
ufological wisdom at subluminal speeds.

> Now, will you tell me how someone can measure the exact speed of
> a signal traveling at FTL speeds with instruments that operate at
> or less than the speed of light? Or how an EM microwave can travel
> at FTL speeds without turning into something different from an
> EM microwave?

Can't be done according to the mathematics. See the FAQ above.

Where is Mr. Mxyzptlk when you really need him?

Ed Stewart

Ed Stewart egs@netcom.com | So Man, who here seems principal alone,
There is Something        | Perhaps acts second to some sphere unknown.
  Going On!       ,>'?'<, | Touches some wheel, or verges to some goal,
Salvador Freixedo ( O O ) | 'Tis but a part we see, and not a whole.
--------------ooOO-(_)-OOoo------- Alexander Pope, Essay on Man -------

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