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Re: Questions for Abductees

From: "WHITE" <mjawhite@digitaldune.net> [John White]
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 07:38:46 -0700
Fwd Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 17:41:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Questions for Abductees

Estimado Sr. Mendoza:

Thank you for posting.......

>Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 00:56:51 -0400
>From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com> [Peter Brookesmith]
>Subject: Questions for Abductees
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>


>Errol, please take warning, if this develops into any substantial
>discussion, it calls for a whole new thread.

> ..............<snip>................................................ IMO
ufology is a
>lateral inversion of the Fathers vs Gnostics battles. By which I
>mean the ETH-centered ufological mythos is Gnostic (or Manichean)
>at heart, and it is that which is crying "heresy", not the
>skeptics - who after all have no would-be orthodoxy to defend or

<snip with apology to context>

>ETH-centered ufology is Gnostic religion cast in techno-scientific
>terms. Gnosticism is intrinsic, too, to the American religious
>consciousness - which is where ufology translated and transmuted
>it from. For a longer discussion that makes sense of these Olympian-
>sounding statements, slip over to


>Yours &c
>Predella D. Mandora
>Jobbing Builder

I went to the site.  I see that I stepped my post in
hollowed ground, and was pleasantly surprised.
(I was stretching the "nom" thing just a little too
far when I reached for the "Foreigner" to cap a bit
of wry humor.  My apology for that, and my
gratitude for extending the foregoing in reply.....)

I believe there to be little argument with the foundational
elements in the thought that "ETH-centered ufology is Gnostic
religion cast in techno-scientific terms."  This was brought home
most forcefully to me when, by virtue of a suggestion from a List
member,  I read several Sitchin books, and recalled that there
were gnostic "scripts" which proceeded on somewhat the same

To the extent, however, that the concept of orthodoxy would
embrace belief in generally accepted ideas, then those skeptics
whose point of view is that of routine questioning of generally
accepted ideas engage in a belief system which I would coin as
"sceptology" in the context of "ufology."   It would seem to the
untutored eye, that some (by no means all) sceptics do have an
"orthodoxy" to promote, e.g., routine questioning.

Whether we cast that questioning as advocacy or simple seeking of
answers is all in the mode, tenor, and words we use.  When it
comes to UFOS, I have seen both forms of questions on the List,
and I have seen something else: irrespective of the form, a
general "truth" seems to emerge from either:  there ain't no hard
evidence out there.  It is this fact, and this fact alone, which
drives the dialogue between ufologist and sceptologist.  One
could argue that it is meaningless to even engage in the
dialogue, or to take sides. This, however, is too close to the
thought that we are at the end of the search for the beginning of
things which is sometimes thrown out in science.

Thank you again,

John White  mjawhite@digitaldune.net
but I don't think one could argue very convincinly that it makes

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