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From: Henny van der Pluijm <hvdp@worldonline.nl>
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:23:58 +0200 (MET DST)
Fwd Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 19:54:05 -0400
Subject: Re: 

>From: DevereuxP@aol.com [Paul Devereux]
>Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 02:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Solved abduction cases?

>Dear Jerry,

>In response to my mild concerns about your 1 October attack on
>the Duke of Mendoza, you wrote on Monday 6 October:

>>From: clark@canby.mn.frontiercomm.net [Jerome Clark]
>>Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 10:38:50 PDT
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: RE: UFO UpDate: Re: Solved abduction cases?


>>You're in your mind-reading mode, I'm afraid, my friend.  You
>>don't know me well, so -- in defense of a not particularly

<Big Snip>

>Well, Jerry, I'm positively amazed that my gentle and brief
>comments should provoke such a screed from you! Forgive me for
>thinking that you are being a little over-defensive. But, well,
>if that's the way you want it ....

>JC: "I also see the inevitable North America bashing, a
>particular obsession of yours.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but
>don't you actually live here at least part of the time?"

>PD: You aren't thinking clearly, Jerry. I am not North America
>bashing at all. (And how dare you lump Canada in with the USA?
>The fact that Chris RutKowski lives in Canada shouldn't malign a
>whole nation.) I love the USA, and I think it has many strong
>points, its people are generous, I love the energy the US has, I
>truly do love NYC, I have many dear US friends, and much, much
>else. No, I am not bashing the United States, I am being highly
>critical of the dominant, ET-literalist paradigm that infects
>nearly all of US ufology. Those two things are not the same.
>However, there is a literlaist tendency in US society as a whole,
>and that finds its microcosm in US ufology - a ufology that has
>been exported so that it is virtually international at the
>popular level.

>And yes, indeed, I spend at least half my time here in the States
>- we have a home on both sides of the Atlantic. You make my point
>MY CRITICISMS. It is a fact, plain and simple yet again, that in
>British ufology, and I'm sure in the ufology of many other West
>European countries, the literalist view is balanced more
>effectively by alternative approaches than it is in the US. It is
>a healthier research climate in British ufology, notwithstanding
>that at the tabloid pop end of the business (and business it is)
>it is still  literalism based on imported Americana.

>You simply cannot take the cultural influence out of this thing,
>Jerry. I stick absolutely to my claim that you have been affected
>by the cultural milieu in which you live, move, think and have
>your being. You can't see it, because you are in it. I can see
>it. You may play fancier footwork than most, but you are still in
>the ET-literalist ballpark of US ufology.


This is nonsense. I am a European and I have never
seen any indication that the ET view is taken less seriously
in Europe or elsewhere than in the USA.

If you could read French and German you would see
that on French and German web sites the ET hypotheses is
taken just as seriously as in the USA or Canada or the UK
for that matter. Especially the French are not known for
following the USA wherever it goes.

The UFOs that were observed over Arizona in March are just as
literal as the UFOs that were detected on radar in March 1990
in Belgium.

The crash of an alien spaceship in Roswell in 1947 is just as
real as the crash of an alien spaceship in Dalnegorsk, Siberia,
in 1986.

Not only is the ET hypothesis taken seriously outside the USA,
government officials of several countries, such as Chile,
Belgium, Mexico and Russia, have openly stated that their air
space has been violated by craft that do not originate on this

Yes, there is a lot of US material known in other countries,
more than is known about the rest of the world in the US.

This is due to:
. the English language that is almost universally understood
. the might of the American media
. the fact that ETs have apparently taken a bigger interest in
the US than in other countries, because of the level of
technology present, especially nuclear and radar technology. See
the case books. Nonetheless, sensitive installations in other
countries have also been visited by alien craft, the
Bentwaters/Woodbridge case in 1980 in the UK (then NATO's largest
nuclear stockpile) being a textbook example.

           /    Met vriendelijke groet/Best wishes    \
                      Henny van der Pluijm

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