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Re: Questions for Abductees

From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 04:57:14 +1000 (GMT+1000)
Fwd Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 08:45:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Questions for Abductees

> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:58:16 -0400
> From: Peregrine Mendoza <101653.2205@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Questions for Abductees (RV)
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>

I extend my thanks to the Duke of Mendoza and thank him
for so recently cleaning out his stables and forwarding
the contents to this list. Note the lovely odour of spam.

> This thought also raises the question as to how much of the trauma
> said to be suffered by abductees has been instilled in them by the
> investigators' approach [see the appalling hash-up made by Lawrie
> Williams over in the nearby thread] and their naive & amateurish
> ideas about hypnosis, and how much is really based in distressing
> experience. Hypothesis or wager: 95% of "abduction trauma" is
> iatrogenic.)

Reluctant as I am to confuse such cerebro-avian reasoning with
actual facts, you should know that the person in question K was
not distressed before or after the experience. I have never even
met her in fact!

I did recount a conversation with her friend D, which file 4 -
now 5 - people have clearly failed to read carefully enough
despite its brevity. They have instead larded on their own
preconceptions of where I am at. This says more about them than
me. And perhaps even more about the perceived rights of free
speech between abductees by believers and skeptics alike. I must
some time slip in another couple of buzz words and watch if the
same identities get in a flap.

Nobody can say I am not even-handed in the people I upset. That
is the benefit of being a moderate caught between extremists, one
so foolish as to insist his very real experiences are very real,
and the other insisting on mental theories more elaborate than
the simple and factual explanation - humanoids in a hovering
craft, based on axioms that were readily accepted by this list.

The Duke implies I have naive and amateurish ideas about hypnosis
but if you rake through the verbal muck carefully enough one can
see it is only implied in such a way that others will infer it.
Fact is I have never been hypnotized nor would I suggest it to
anyone else.

As for the person in question, I did not introduce any ideas
other than the one I mentioned, which was intended to alert her
to any possible reproductive system anomalies. Any memories of
being on a spaceship on a table and surrounded by entities remain
as pure as the driven snow, ready to be scooped up and placed in
a sterile container, to no doubt be labelled "iatrogenic".

At last report D and K are happily getting on with life and still
there is no sign of the trauma so eagerly anticipated for their
mythical counterparts by fantasizers elsewhere on this globe.

How anyone can draw such extensive inferences both factual and
moral from the minimal information I provided is quite beyond me.
My file was brief and lucid before consumption, and related to a
very real event. Now it has become a mini-myth and has taken on a
life of its own.  I am mightily entertained.

Anyway thanks to the man from the aviary for his material, which
I will most assuredly apply to my comfrey with great benefit.

Lawrie Williams________________

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