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Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

From: Michael Wayne Malone <MWayne@bigfoot.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:40:20 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:51:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

>From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:46:28 +1000 (GMT+1000)
>To: ufo-l@mb.protree.com, updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

>> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:50:05 -0700
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

>> WHY DID YOU DO THIS?????????????????????

>Try not to get so excited Michael.

I'm sorry if playing with the mental health of your witnesses in
a cavalier and dangerous manner gets me excited.

>> From this point on, any further data gained from these subjects is
>> tainted.

>In other words, I had to give them the run-aound, tell them lies
>or avoid telling them the full truth.

What full truth?  You didn't give them a "truth" you gave them
your "belief" based on unsupported data.  Right now, as far as
the "data" can clearly suggest, the theory that these critters
are demons from hell is a supported, and clearly has a longer
historical database, than the idea of UFO abductions and phantom
pregnancies.

While you were at it, why did you hold back from giving the
girl's parent's the "full truth" if you are so ethical and
everything?

>> If they have any experiances that in any way match what you told
>> them, there is no way of knowing the real from the imaginary planted
>> by you.

>Absolutely untrue. If I knew what I know now based on the evidence of
>hundreds of other abductees, I would have gained far more information
>during my various and sundry encounter experiences.  I was preparing
>them for whatever comes next.

Whatever.  If you can't see the basic underlying problem and the
pure taint you've placed on this case, then you are lost to the
realm of scientific endeavour.  And if you can't see the intense
psychological harm you could have caused your "witnessess" then
the only thing we have to hope for is they find strong and
talented counslers later in life.

>Hey, you ever seen a person with red glowing eyes?

More than once, and more than you'll ever know.  What does this
have to do with your unethical, unscientific, and dangerous
feildwork?

>> This is a typical example of BAD fieldwork.
>
>It was not fieldwork. I was asked for advice and I gave it.  The next
>best source of information is American-made drama full of terror and
>fear. Give me a break! Kids and adults all over the world are being
>fed mind-disrupting horror day and night. The U.S. Film and TV
>industry is a sewer of psychiatric disruption distorting all of the
>paranormal and everything else in the quest for profits. And I tell
>some kids how it may be - fully and frankly - and *I* am condemned?

You want me to write a disertation on all the evils in the world?
 Sorry, I thought we were on a UFO discussion list, and were
discussing ufology and abductions.  Perhaps you and I can discuss
the evils of modern media in an approprate mailing list.

>Anyway, where is all this fieldwork? I get out in the field and I
>ask questions and I tabulate the answers, then I give feedback. Then
>I write it up in short concise files and post the stuff on the internet.
>And I make myself accountable - willingly answering further questions.
>A few other lay people do the same, they share, share, share.

I've shared shared shared.  And I took my lumps.  This is the
closes thing we have to peer review.  And so far, your review
stinks.

As a counsler, your job wasn't to give advice, but to help the
subject deal with the unexplainable emotional side-effects of her
alleged abduction.  As a ufologist, you were to investigate
without taint, without bias, and without preconcieved ideas as to
the end result of your research.  And as a responsible human
being, you were not to scare young women with the worst case
senerio.

What evidence did you have that this is how her abduction
experience would turn out.  So far, we are stuck with anecdotal
evedince, not physical or medical.  Even the previously lauded
works of Sims and Leir are under heavy attack as meaningless.  So
your "Truth" had holes in it that could sink a battleship.

>I get the impression that most self-styled "ufologists" spend more
>time taking in each other's washing and rarely if ever share their
>fieldwork promptly and openly, as I have always done. How about it?
>Is this true? Where are the ufologists who do fieldwork and then
>subject their work to immediate peer review? You have the internet
>to do some real science on now. Forget the other rituals!

I couldn't agree more.  The peer review is lacking.  Perhaps if
you had recieved stronger peer review before, you wouldn't have
made such an untrained rookie mistake.

But that aside, how objective are you in your research?  From the
post, I found you to have closed your mind completely to
everything but what you've already determined as TRUTH.


--
Michael Malone
Kilo Foxtrot Four Mike Yankee X-ray



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