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Re: Researching Abduction Cases

From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 02:42:17 -0500
Fwd Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:40:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Researching Abduction Cases

>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 18:31:33 -0700
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Researching Abduction Cases


>>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 14:31:00 -0500
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
>>Subject: Researching abduction cases

Hi Errol, Skye, All,

I wrote,

>>THIS IS NOT A GAME! Peoples lives are at stake. At AIC I'm going
>>to encourage as many people as I can to turn to their local
>>health care and counselling professionals. Shit, I'll go first!

Skye responds,

>Have fun, John.  Once the "professionals" get ahold of you, with
>their assumption that you are delusional, you will spend your
>life in psychiatric hell.

See, now that's the problem! Before I went to Hopkins I arranged
to have myself evaluated by a psychologist here in NY. She was
open minded, listened, offered no judgements along the way and
although my feeling was that she didn't take my account
'literally' she nonetheless maintained a very open attitude
during our sessions. The myth that all MHP's  are somehow
"predjudiced" against those reporting abduction accounts is just
that, an unsubstantiated myth.

Because of my action (going to a MHP for evaluation) I was able
to eliminate 'insanity' or 'psychological instability' as a cause
for my experiences. That can be a very comforting thing, as well
as disturbing, but that's another thread! <G>

As far as 'judgemental counsellors' that would have you commited
for reporting an abduction,...there is -always- a 'joker' in the
deck, that much is true, but then you can always 'fire' them!
There are also a lot of 'other' fish in the sea!

Let me ask you this Skye, don't you think that an experienced
psychologist or counsellor would do a much better job of serving
an abductees needs than say the kind of thing that is happening
on another current thread? (Which will remain unnamed) That kind
of approach is something I find shameful and embarassing, not to
mention the potential psychological harm to those poor
unsuspecting souls that is being introduced by the "investigator"
in the case.

JV.>> If I have to, in order to set
>>an example, I'll report my kidnapping to the goddam FBI. Old man
>>Klass is right about that one, if ALL of us reported the
>>abductions to the FBI they might perk up and pay some attention.

>Actually I know someone who *did* report to the FBI and they were
>referred to their local MUFON chapter!

If it had been a hundred or five hundred or a thousand people
reporting simultaneously, what do you suppose they would do then?
It would be an interesting excersize (even if futile) to put it
to the test. Even if they didn't investigate a single case it
would have the effect of "empowering" those who participated, and
if nothing else, it would tie up the FBI's phones for a day or
two. (It would serve them right for ignoring us! <G>)

JV.>> There is power in numbers. I hope to gather as many abductees as
>>possible under one roof. As a group, we can push in directions
>>that will help us to get the answers we so desperately need.
>
>From the FBI?  From the so-called health care profession?  I
>don't think so. I agree there's strength in numbers, but that
>also means that we are completely capable of getting those
>answers ourselves, and a lot more effectively than if we turn to
>established orders that have too much invested in the status
>quo.

We -have been- 'left to ourselves' and the result so far is;

*A dangerous set of beliefs about abduction that are rapidly
 becoming codified, and spreading like an infection from one to
 the other, (abduction dogma!)

*More interpretations of the phenomenon than Carter has liver
 pills,

*New age Philosophies based on benevolent space brothers and
 alien chanelers,

*A "mutual re-inforcement" fest among believers to beat the band,
 (very bad stuff as any counsellor will tell you)

*Mis-trust of those in the professional community (to whom we
 should be turning) because they (Quote) "Won't believe us." -What
 completely unsubstantiated bullsh-t that one is!-

*Very little progress in terms of having gotten some firm answers
 to our questions,

*and, very little progress in raising the consciousness of the
 public at large. (Who also need answers as badly as we do, only
 -they- don't know that -they need to know-!)

*Too many quacks, and amateurs! Assholes out to make a buck or a
 name for themselves that don't much care how many heads get
 screwed up along the way. That 'other thread' I mentioned being a
 'classic' example!

*Too many people have suffered in silence too long because they
 fear ridicule or 'excommunication' from society. If the support
 of enough mainstream pro's can be solicited it'll be easier for
 those folks to come forward and get the help they need. Given the
 current atmosphere surrounding the subject that would simply be
 impossible.

The only way it is going to change is if WE change it. That's
what I meant about the power of 'numbers.' When folks begin to
realize that it is their friends, family members, and neighbors
that are reporting this stuff conditions -will- change. -I have
to believe that we can do it, because things as they are, are
just unacceptable. My main concern is for the abductees
themselves, and then for the raising of the publics conciousness.


One thing cannot/should not be done without the other in mind.

I don't think you serve any constructive purpose suggesting that
'abductees' should isolate themselves from professionals (or
everyone else) because they will "have you commited to some
psychiatric hell." Incestuous mutual reinforcement is -not the
answer- nor will it produce any. Without the objectivity of
others, all we have is what we already have, hundreds maybe
thousands experiencing something that none can explain with any
certainty or authority. Sorry Skye, that's just not good enough.
People deserve to be taken seriously and efforts should be made
to recruit as much help as we can get. Take my word for it buddy,
not very many handle this as well as you have, or as quick to
integrate it into their world view and then get back to the
business of living a life.

What is happening to us today, could be happening to them
tomorrow. There's just too much at stake to play this any other
way. It's together, all of us, abductees and the general public
alike, or none of us at all. We are one race living on one rock
together, what happens to my neighbor happens to me. I'm about
involving as many people as I can, abductee or no.

"Together we stand, -divided- we fall!"

John Velez, Abductee Union Rep.


                              John Velez
                          jvif@spacelab.net





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