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Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

From: wlmss@peg.apc.org [Lawrie Williams]
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:46:28 +1000 (GMT+1000)
Fwd Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:49:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

> Date: Sun, 12 Oct 1997 20:50:05 -0700
> To: updates@globalserve.net
> From: Skye Turell <turel33@west.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

>>I told her that it could be possible that the purpose of all this
>>was to make hybrids, half like us and half like them.

> Lawrie, I'm not sure it's a good idea to tell the girls what they should
> expect to experience.  Let them have their own experiences and tell you.

Hi, Skye!  : )    I did just that. I listened to what was said. I was
making a prediction with relation to the experience to come, if any.

> If it seems like they have common sorts of occurances, then tell them
> that others have done likewise, but don't plant ideas.

I did exactly that. And I told them what many believe. That is not
"planting ideas". That is "telling the truth". I did not say it was
*the* truth though, I said that is what many believe.

> That might lead them and it certainly will scare them.

They were understandably intensely curious. Like anyone, they wanted
full disclosure and informed opinion. That need came ahead of research

> They will allow the information through that they are capable of
> integrating, and not more than that.  That's a failsafe mechanism
> and you shouldn't try to override it...IMO.

No over-riding. These are bright, normal people and I treated them
as such. I understand the point you are making Skye. I am aware of
the hazards of generating witness bias.

Knowing what might be, they would know to watch for those otherwise
easily-missed early signs of embryonic development.

> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 06:14:49 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Michael Wayne Malone <wayne@fly.HiWAAY.net>
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997

> WHY DID YOU DO THIS?????????????????????

Try not to get so excited Michael.

> From this point on, any further data gained from these subjects is
> tainted.

In other words, I had to give them the run-aound, tell them lies
or avoid telling them the full truth.

> If they have any experiances that in any way match what you told
> them, there is no way of knowing the real from the imaginary planted
> by you.

Absolutely untrue. If I knew what I know now based on the evidence of
hundreds of other abductees, I would have gained far more information
during my various and sundry encounter experiences.  I was preparing
them for whatever comes next.

Hey, you ever seen a person with red glowing eyes?

> This is a typical example of BAD fieldwork.

It was not fieldwork. I was asked for advice and I gave it.  The next
best source of information is American-made drama full of terror and
fear. Give me a break! Kids and adults all over the world are being
fed mind-disrupting horror day and night. The U.S. Film and TV
industry is a sewer of psychiatric disruption distorting all of the
paranormal and everything else in the quest for profits. And I tell
some kids how it may be - fully and frankly - and *I* am condemned?

Anyway, where is all this fieldwork? I get out in the field and I
ask questions and I tabulate the answers, then I give feedback. Then
I write it up in short concise files and post the stuff on the internet.
And I make myself accountable - willingly answering further questions.
A few other lay people do the same, they share, share, share.

I get the impression that most self-styled "ufologists" spend more
time taking in each other's washing and rarely if ever share their
fieldwork promptly and openly, as I have always done. How about it?
Is this true? Where are the ufologists who do fieldwork and then
subject their work to immediate peer review? You have the internet
to do some real science on now. Forget the other rituals!

> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Abduction Sat 4 Oct 1997
> Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 16:41:54 -0000
> From: Orca <pwedel@neptune.on.ca> [Paul Wedel]
> To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>

> .... I must agree with Skye. I think it's admirable that people wish
> to help others and take on such unusual work. Perhaps if at a
> time they ask you your thoughts in the future, you present them
> as one of many theories. For we do not know _for_sure_ why any of
> this is happening.

It just happened to me. And I did discuss options, as I said, and I
presented one as more likely, and emphasized how little is known.
I did exactly that, and said so in my file. Clearly.

> With respect to aliens farming us. This in itself could generate
> undue fear in a "newbie" (please excuse the colloqualism).

We live in a rural dairying area. Good breeders are well looked-after.

> I have interviewed several Mohawk and Innuit Medicine people who do
> not think these beings are evil at all. - Without going too far off

Ufologists might be able to tell me more about Project Camelot
conducted by the CIA in 1972, allegedly to find out about native
beliefs so they can use them for guerilla warfare. But they got
into big trouble in Chile, with all its UFO's, and so they bit
back and had the popular government there overthrown and replaced
by a brutal dictatorship. But what was Camelot *really* about?
It seems it was a cover for secret operations in remote parts
of the country. Maybe under FOI someone can now find out.

> topic, I just wanted to suggest that we all have theories, and
> perhaps it is best in a research situation to keep our theories
> close to our hearts during the intial phase of the investigation.

I have opposed this theory for years, but I cannot ignore the
mounting evidence. And no, I will not obscure vital information.
Nor would I make the same claim in a different type of contact
situation, obviously. It depends on the type of abduction
scenario that is taking place. But none are evil "attacks".

Why do you think these entities are doing this? It seems they are
striving to replace crew blown out of the sky by the United States
of America. Maybe they believe that when it is our own children
flying these craft then human mortals will stop their murderous
attacks on them. I wish I shared their faith. UFO's are dealing
with a culture that seems to want to shoot anything that moves.

> This may just be the beginning for your witnesses. As Skye
> states, it is important for them to remember only what they
> are comfortable remembering.

I agree. Nobody is playing hypnosis games around here. I have never
been hypnotized (to my knowledge! :) ) and never but never
secure information that way, nor do I believe it is necessary. Nor
do I lead people. In this case, I informed them about a probable
coming scenario, as in forewarned is forearmed. I think it would be
rude to withold information on the pretext that it might shock or
frighten the questioner.

> There are internal mechanisms in place from a neurological point of
> view (and goodness knows what else) to allow them to deal with the
> shock. Leading them on (even unintentionally) will not yield
> accurate data.

Shock? No sign of that. I laid out some basic provisional data to
provide a framework for the securing of more complex data. We do not
have the luxury of abundant time. That was squandered by those who
kept telling us this phenomena is not happening, and who now tell us
we have to treat our witnesses like mushrooms, i.e. keep them in the
dark and feed them bullshit.

Thanks for your moderate comments, however.

Lawrie Williams____________

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