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Re: Bruce Maccabee and UpDates

From: c549597@showme.missouri.edu
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:37:06 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and UpDates

> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 06:08:18 -0400
> To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> From: Steven Kaeser <steve@konsulting.com>
> Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Bruce Maccabee and UpDates

> At 09:56 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:

> >>Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:48:04 +0200 (MET DST)
> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
> >>From: Jean van Gemert <jeanvg@dds.nl>
> >>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: One Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

> >>>From: c549597@showme.missouri.edu [Barbara Becker]
> >>>Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:47:29 -0500
> >>>To: updates@globalserve.net
> >>>Subject: One pic is worth 1000 words.  Eds Polaroid

> ><snipped>

> >> Dear all,

> >> Sorry for having to include all the above. Bruce Maccabee has a
> >> response to it:

> ><snipped>

> >Jean,

> >If Bruce Maccabee wants to get involved in discussion here
> >he is welcome to do so. He can subscribe to the List and do
> >his own posting.

> >It is not necessary for anyone to third-party for him.

> >Errol Bruce-Knapp,
> >Moderator, UFO UpDates - Toronto

> Errol-

> There are a number of researchers that quite honestly don't have time
> to wade through the nonsense in the various lists that are on the
> "net", and for that reason I have tried to make sure they see items
> that they would be interested in.  I have a number of people that I
> fax your UPDATES to because they have no computer, and they are always
> very grateful.  In return, they sometimes provide details that the
> list would find of interest, which I tend to post.  Bruce does,
> indeed, have a computer. However, he isn't "active" on the Internet
> and has become less involved with Compuserve in recent months.

It is very nice of you to keep certain people up to date, especially
those who do not have computers and I say that sincerely.  In that case,
it seems more appropriate for you to intercede. However in Bruce's case
he has a computer and an Internet connection,  he is able to reposnd for

> I don't know what Jean had tried to post (I've been trying to work
> with both Jean and Bruce to make sure we don't waste bandwidth, and it
> was mostly in his hand at this point), but as a list subscriber I
> would state that I believe that it should have been posted if it was
> relevent to the discussion.  I'm not sure how you are going to define
> when a person should post on their own, or more importantly the
> limitation to quotation that you will allow before that is triggered.

Maccabee has the time to write a response to a paper I wrote 7 years ago
AND the time to respond to the copyright paper but he cant find the time
to participate in the list first-person?  I suugest that you and Jean
quit running interfernce for Bruce and let him fight his own battles,
fact to face.  He is a big boy now.

> The particular thread involved here is probably getting out of hand,
> and obviously some of those involved are far too close to the subject
> matter and should probably seek help (sorry, couldn't help it).  As a
> list moderator, I would be concerned about those who post material to
> the list and then threaten legal action when others quote sections of
> it in their reply, claiming copyright violation.

Maybe you should get your facts straight before you open your mouth.
This has NOTHING to do with the paper on Copyright and Maccabees reply.

> The explosive personalities involved in this genre could tie up
> resources in a legal battle, and since this list is moderated there
> is (I believe) greater exposure to inclusion in any legal
> entanglement.

This is another paper I wrote many years ago. When I (BB) discovered
(just recently) that a paper I had written 7 years ago was posted on a
website, I wrote to the webmaster and asked that it be removed.  It IS a
copyrighted material, which I explained to him, and said I did not want
it reproduced without permission.  He was most gracious and removed it
from his website.

I then found the paper reproduced in its entirety and a commentray by
Maccabee intersperced. I have no problem with Maccabees commentary...he
can write all day long about it as far as I am concerned...however, I
have not given ANYONE permission to reproduce it in any form...or to
discect it.  That includes Maccabee, UPDATES and UFOMIND. (And you imply
Steve that I "should seek help" because I dont want my copyrighted
materials abused?)

It is simply a legal request.

I have asked UFOMIND as well as updates to remove my copyrighted
materials.  I would expect them to be as gracious as John Gilbert in the


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