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Re: Witness Anonymity

From: pwedel <pwedel@neptune.on.ca>
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 97 10:16:56 -0000
Fwd Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 11:07:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Witness Anonymity

>Subject:     UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity
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>From: "Julianne Presson" <earthwrk@doitnow.com>
>To: "UFO UpDates - Toronto" <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity
>Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 12:50:17 -0700

>> From: HONEYBE100@aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 03:04:48 -0400 (EDT)
>> To: updates@globalserve.net
>> Subject: Re: Witness Anonymity

>> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 15:55:18 -0500 (CDT)
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>> >From: Dennis <dstacy@texas.net>
>> >Subject: Re: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity

>> >Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:17:15 -0400
>> >From: BOB SHELL <76750.2717@compuserve.com>
>> >Subject: UFO UpDate: Re: Witness Anonymity
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net

>> Bob Shell wrote:


>> Dennis Stacey wrote:


Julianne Presson wrote:


>If you do not want anyone knowing who you are WHY did you use your real
>name in the first place. You did it to yourself. So stop blaming everyone
>else for your problems. The sooner you stop being the "victim" here the
>sooner you can get on with life. Although there are "perks" to being a
>"victim" all the time. You do not have to take responsibility for ANY of
>your actions or the decisions you make regarding yourself or your minor

>> >More recently, there are rumors that Honey Bee is reportedly un-
>> >happy with a videotape of her son shown at another out-of-country
>> >UFO Symposium by parties unnamed here, one in which her son
>> >reportedly identifies Javier Perez de Cuellar as the man who gave
>> >him the fabulous brass diving helmet.  Maybe Our Lady of the Sands
>> >could enlighten us further as to her present position on this matter?
>> >Maybe she could even tel us who might have been responsible for the
>> >distribution of said video?

Linda Cortile wrote:

>> No Dennis...you have it all wrong.  This is what has happened:

>> A video tape which was made of my son, relating to the diver's helmet
>> he had received from the "Third Man," was taped for research
>> purposes, only.

Julianne Presson wrote:

>If you did not want your son's face out there you should NOT have allowed
>him to be filmed by anyone. Who is the researcher you allowed to film your

  Goodness, this is distressing Julianne. Should abductee's stop trusting
researchers? Oh well, so much for one of our best resources in finding
out about this phenomenon. The witnesses themselves. Because if we follow
this line of thought you propose, I don't think too many witnesses will
feel safe and comfortable in the future coming forward with information
about one of the most important, enigmantic phenomenon in the history of
our species.

>> My son was nine years old.  In turn, this video tape
>> was given to a trusted colleague "in strict confidence" for his files, or
>> archives.  I found out about two weeks ago that this video tape was
>> sold to a foreign TV show equivalent to our 20/20 or 48 hours and it was
>> also shown here in the U.S.  In other words, my younger son's privacy
>> has been sold.   I've successfully protected my family's identities all
>> of these years, but all in vain.  I saw the tape, and there was my son,
>> full faced.

Julianne Presson wrote:

>You gave permission for your son to be filmed. I guess you will know better
>next time around.

  You're right Julianne, no abductee should every go to a researcher and
give their real name, because, as you insinuate, they are sacrificing
their identity to research. Or, am I wrong, do you feel that abductee's
can trust researchers and give them their real name. Can they trust them
not to go and violate their anonymity?

Linda Cortile wrote:

>> My son is a minor!!  This particular video tape should not have been
>> viewed anywhere.  Now my son's little round face is out there.

Julianne Presson wrote:

>Yes your son is a minor and YOU are the "adult" who gave permission for him
>to be filmed. Sorry you are the one who is responsible here for him being
>on the film in the first place. Had you said NO he would not be on the

More distressing comments Julianne, you seem to have completely missed
the point or are just unaware of what these abductee's go through. The
tape wasn't supposed to be shown. A trust was violated. The culprate is
not Ms. Cortile. The villian is the researcher, the villain is people
like you who seem to support such behaviour. If I follow your words
correctly, if Linda went to a researcher in trust, and had one of her
children filmed  (in trust), then she _should_ expect that film to be
posted in the media????????????


Linda Cortile wrote:

>> Am I unhappy, Dennis?   No.  I'm furious and I will get to the bottom of
>> this disgusting event.  And when I do, a lot of heads are going to roll.
>> It's one thing for an adult to fight for his/her privacy, but when this
>> happens to a child, especially mine,  it's a different matter.

Julianne Presson wrote:

>Oh PLEASE.....get out of the "victim role" for a minute and ask yourself
>why you would allow ANYONE involved with abduction research to film YOUR
>minor child???

  Why do you think she was approaching researchers Julianne? Do you have
any idea what happens to a person, a persons family, when this phenomenon
visits them? Do you have any idea the importance an abductee will
feel,(and a responsilbity to their fellow humans), to investigate and
find the truth.

  Please do not suggest the pursuit of fame and adoring fans. All these
people (abductee's) seem to ever get (from a segment of the community) is
grief, condescencion, and rudeness posted at them. Some of us make them
feel like they should never come forward...

Julianne Presson wrote:

>YES and Budd Hopkins brings in his share of that money for himself. Sorry
>Hopkins is NO Saint. Why people would allow someone who uses the faulty
>hypnosis modality he uses on them or their kids is beyond me. I have seen
>him in action on Discovery Channel and he would be better served to spend a
>few years getting some education and practical experience. His showing
>pictures of grays to kids under 7 years old and then uses hypnosis on them
>that is suggestive at the least and invalidates any data gathered in the

  We do not have to associate Linda's motives with Budd's now, do we? Or
is that required to strengthen an already weak point.

>Now have one of your temper tantrums over this message. Frankly your
>continued "horn blowing" in this List about everyone taking advantage of
>you is getting boring. This is NOT a therapy group, it is a mailing list.

  Don't worry, Linda has a lot of friends who will not through temper
tantrums. Nor will she. But we will make note of your position in
research. We will regard your scientific ethics with the words you have
spoken here.

  I have not observed Linda do any horn blowing. I have consistently seen
her stand up in defense, not offense, if a message is posted about her. I
have not seen her post anything first that started one of these threads,
have you?

> Your "pity pot" backed up a long time ago, it is time to get
>off of it.

  Very mature Julianne. You know Julianne, I've been doing research with
the aboriginal community in my neck of the woods. Some of these people
need and require their anonymity. They have seen some remarkable and
important things. They _need_ to know that they can trust me not to
repeat their names. Some of these people are braves. If I were to violate
any of the braves anonymity (who did not wish me to), I would in short
order be without my testicles or my life, take a pick. And no one would
ever know who did it. I do not need that type of insentive to respect
common decency in another human beings desire to convey important
information, and remain anonymous. Sometimes when I read posts like this,
I think there are others that do.

>Good Day Linda,


Good day Julianne,
May the farce be with you.


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